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Brexit - what is the point?

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Bearbehind · 09/03/2019 18:32

Theresa May is blatantly running down the clock in an attempt to force her Withdrawal Agreement through.

An agreeement which is the worst of all world because we are still tied to EU regulations with no seat at the table but it’s worse that our current deal.

If her deal is voted down then the next step is a vote to take ‘no deal’ off the table, which will almost certainly pass.

So what is the actual point at this stage?

What are people hoping will happen?

(MN - please do not banish this to the Brexit Corner - this is the biggest thing to affect the UK in a generation and it’s happening in the next 3 weeks)

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bellinisurge · 09/03/2019 21:54

@Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld I am genuinely sorry that I dismissed your genuine distress as teenager bullshit.
However I am really fed up of stereotyping the northern vote. And the idea of the vote being "the only way" of making voices heard.

jasjas1973 · 09/03/2019 21:54

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld

Agree with you, loads of people voted for similar reasons.

But as Cornwall is finding out, the objective one funding isn't to be replaced.

Its about time the MC's and above paid a bit more tax to put right the deprivation across the UK, brexit will mean a smaller tax take though.

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Bearbehind · 09/03/2019 21:55

just you can see for yourself that car manufacturers are falling over them selves to get out of the UK.

How do you think those jobs are going to be replaced?

The government will never lose the excuse of the EU.

Now it will just be because they didn’t let us have our own way.

Wake up to the reality here.

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BollocksToBrexit · 09/03/2019 21:56

As to the PP who we couldn't even deport Hamza, true but it was the ECHR that blocked that until the US gave the assurances he wouldn't be killed.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU, we'll still be signatories.

It wasn't even the ECHR that blocked it. It was the British government. Decision made by the ECHR are not binding on the UK. The government chooses to abide by ECHR decisions.

temperancefugit · 09/03/2019 21:57

Any type of Brexit deal is worse for the country than staying in the EU. MPs, at least those who don’t stand to personally benefit from making the country worse off, have known this all along but didn’t want to lose their seats by admitting it. We pay MPs to do what’s in the country’s best interests, not to carry out ‘the will of the people’ when that ‘will’ Is going to damage the country. The last few years have been a cynical exercise in pretending to carry out ‘the will of the people’ when MPs know it could never happen.
Heads should roll over this catastrophic waste of money, political dishonesty and cynical manipulation of the British people.

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 09/03/2019 22:01

Apology accepted Bellini.

doIreallyneedto · 09/03/2019 22:01

@TriciaH87 - The idea was we leave without a deal on wto terms and could freely trade world wide set our laws control our borders and our budget. Taking no deal off the table goes against democracy and is a disgrace to what we voted for.

Exiting with no deal means breaking the good Friday agreement. That is a much bigger disgrace.

wherearemychickens · 09/03/2019 22:03

That's a good point doIreallyneedto, I missed that one.

Sanguineclamp · 09/03/2019 22:04

Scaryteacher Lillico and his ilk are of course entitled to their views but the reality is that, whatever the direction of the EU and the Euro - we have to live alongside it - our trade is now (and still will be post Brexit) entangled with it, and tyo some degree, dependent upon it.

The logical conclusion to Lillico's view is we exist in an isolationist bubble when global trade, and the internet are making the nation stayte less relevant.

To leave was far from inevitable as the EU has always allowed the UK to do its own thing (Euro, Schengen, financial rebate) whilst remaining a leading member. We have now gone and thrown all of that away.

TriciaH87 · 09/03/2019 22:05

Both sides do not want a border so leave it as is. The eu are the ones saying if we don't take their crap offer they will put a border there. I still think were better off out but i am not convinced it will ever happen.

wherearemychickens · 09/03/2019 22:07

Just, I would happily - genuinely happily - pay more tax for better public services and more money for deprived areas. I live in a safe Tory seat in the south. My vote has never meant anything.

We need proportional representation, devolution of power to regions, for half of the government departments to move up north, for government to invest seriously in transport infrastructure in the north. In fact, all kinds of infrastructure.

But none of that has anything to do with the EU. All of that has always been domestic. I too am struggling to see the logic of your decision, although I agree with your proposal on what should happen next - basically 'Bin Brexit, Fix Britain'.

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Bearbehind · 09/03/2019 22:09

Both sides do not want a border so leave it as is

This problem will never be resolved until this kind of stupidity can be eradicated.

We cannnot just ‘choose’ to have no border unless we do the same for every country in the WTO.

Which part of that do you not understand?

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Pengrin · 09/03/2019 22:11

Very good point, SusanWalker!

wherearemychickens · 09/03/2019 22:11

"Both sides do not want a border so leave it as is"

If we didn't want anything to change, what were we voting for?

wherearemychickens · 09/03/2019 22:15

And if you want control of your borders, Just, can you see how your position is contradictory?

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 09/03/2019 22:15

The point is to extract ourselves from the union with the EU that no one actually voted for. And when they,we were given a vote...we said...no thanks.

Unfortunately our MPs don't reflect that vote of the public and instead of spending two years getting together... And working out how to get best deal...they spent two year's moaning, stalling.. and trying to get out of it.
Unbelievably... at some point.... some of the MPs have tried to tell the electorate.. they didn't know what they were voting forShock

wherearemychickens · 09/03/2019 22:15

Sorry, not Just, Tricia!

Random18 · 09/03/2019 22:16

I really do believe in Devolution / regional assemblies.

I happily voted for it before. And it has made a difference.

My 1st ever vote was in 97 and it was great.

Live in England now & I feel so disillusioned by it all.
I have a Tory MP that does f all for his constituency. Only interested in party & career.
And nothing I can do to change it.
I also live in a region now that is so often forgotten about.
It’s not the South and it’s not the Northern Powerhouse so it gets sweet f a or so it seems

doIreallyneedto · 09/03/2019 22:17

@TriciaH87 - Both sides do not want a border so leave it as is.

Perfect. That means no border can be put in place for anyone else either. So dodgy, dangerous, products can be shipped in from anywhere.

I'm sure you will have no problem taking drugs that haven't been checked and have come from God knows where or feeding your children food that has dangerous additives as they have to be waved through too. Or the toys that don't comply with safety standards. Or.......

That's taking back control of your borders alright.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 09/03/2019 22:17

Re logic and sense.. and... this mess... I imagine all of this was said when America was fighting the war for independence...

Why break from England...the king... we need them for trade....

SparklySneakers · 09/03/2019 22:18

What's a pot bank?
Why are you so angry Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld? Leave won didn't it? Yippee! Shouldn't you be happy? No need at all to be so abusive to bellinisurge. I wouldn't have apologised to you. No need for your attitude at all.

stillpinching · 09/03/2019 22:18

No point I can see at all.

I would love leavers to come on and tell us a point based on what we know now.

doIreallyneedto · 09/03/2019 22:19

@Budsbegginingspringinsight - Re logic and sense.. and... this mess... I imagine all of this was said when America was fighting the war for independence...*

Why break from England...the king... we need them for trade....

Right. You obviously don't know very much about history.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 09/03/2019 22:21

Bear , do you realise or admit in anyway that many people life was made worse by EU? Or is literally every single thing purely UK government fault .
This love of EU sounds like the EU propaganda did a really good job!!

wherearemychickens · 09/03/2019 22:26

How will you back up that assertion then Buds? What has been made worse in our country by being within the EU?

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