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Forgetting everything but the fact an innocent baby has died

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UnexpectedButExpected · 08/03/2019 19:34

AIBU to feel unbelievably sad that Shamima Bergum’s baby has died.

The poor mite simply didn’t have a chance in the world he was born in to.

Sad
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PurpleDaisies · 08/03/2019 20:25

That’s a baby you’re talking about, hidden. Hmm

lljkk · 08/03/2019 20:25

Contagious diseases are rife in refugee camps. Unsanitary over-crowded exposed to the weather conditions stuffed with lots of other people in poor health make deaths of infants quite ordinary. How much did she even know about taking care of a baby properly, who could she have learnt from about caring for a newborn? :(

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 08/03/2019 20:26

A baby that was born to be radicalised Purple they made no secret about that.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/03/2019 20:27

On the other hand, is there any proof that she was ever pregnant and gave birth? I have no strong opinion either way, but has anyone seen the baby as I don't think I'd be taking her word for anything.

This ^^^

We only have her word that she has lost two children,; we only have her word that she has given birth to a third; we only have her word that this third child died.

She was offered a refuge for her baby in Britain - she refused unless she was also allowed to enter the country

IF she has had a baby, and IF that baby has died - it is very sad; but it is the fault of no-one except Shamima Begum.

Whatever the truth, this is just an attempt at emotional manipulation. Frankly, I feel that if there is no baby, it lessens the UK's responsibility towards her.

Cynical ole trout that I am, I think that the reported death of this mythical child seems very fortuitous. I don't think that there ever was a baby. Obviously I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but everything seems very pat to me.

PurpleDaisies · 08/03/2019 20:27

Celebrating a dead baby is sick hidden.

Armi · 08/03/2019 20:27

This thread is the real Mumsnet. Hateful. A forum full of people who can’t let their 25 year old adult children do their own laundry, laying into a 19 year old who was lured away from home at an age when most of you won’t even let your kids walk to school, has lost three babies and is in a right old mess. She’s in needs of help.

Some of you make me sick. International Women’s Day, isn’t it? Nice support for women shown here, you nasty, bigoted, hypocritical gaggle of horrors.

bengalcat · 08/03/2019 20:27

Sad - but one of many babies worldwide that suffers the same fate .

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 08/03/2019 20:29

Dereg then Armi

slipperywhensparticus · 08/03/2019 20:30

I thought she fled the camp because of "threats" now her baby has died? One thing after another isn't it

See why I'm cynical?

YogaWannabe · 08/03/2019 20:30

Nice support for women shown here, you nasty, bigoted, hypocritical gaggle of horrors

What the jaysis are you even talking about? Most people have just said they aren’t sure there even was a baby!?
Instead of “some of you...” why don’t you speak directly to the poster in question rather than this dramatic vaguebooking?

changingnam · 08/03/2019 20:30

I can't bring myself to feel bad for her. I'm sad a baby has died, however I genuinely feel that it's the lesser of 2 evils. What kind of life would it have had? The only life I see for it would have been the child being radicalised and being harmed or causing harm to others

VikingVolva · 08/03/2019 20:31

I feel sorry for all the babies and children who die in camps like these.

Sickness and death rates are high amongst displaced people in makeshift camps.

For any MNetters who want to do more than just deplore the conditions in the camps and what war does to children, can I recommend a charity?

www.warchild.org.uk/what-we-do

Because, despite all the lack of proof that the baby was actually hers, that child died today. And that's a crying shame.

RomanyQueen1 · 08/03/2019 20:32

The news report showed lots of children though and they are dying of malnutrition and disease in the camps.
Awful to say but if there was a baby it is one of thousands that will die there, it may seem worse because this baby/no baby was featured in the news.

yolofish · 08/03/2019 20:32

Its interesting that we should be expected to support the horrible, consciously chosen, activities of one young woman, on the grounds that if we dont we are letting down the sisterhood? armi

Sitdownstandup · 08/03/2019 20:33

The death of any child at any age is regrettable. We are told lung infection is the cause of death but if she has already lost two how do we know it’s not genetic and not actually down to her being in the camp. We don’t

It's not like there's a bright line between the two though. If she or her husband did have some kind of genetic condition they were passing down to their children, there'd hardly be much medical help available for it in the refugee camp.

It is bemusing also how many of you seem not to believe she's had multiple children. I don't regard the word of a jihadi as particularly persuasive, and whether she was groomed or radicalised she's certainly a jihadi now. But we know how women are treated in Daesh territory and we know about human biology. We've no need to take her word for either of those things.

Given that she was bound to have been married off as soon as she arrived there, they don't have contraception and she can't exactly refuse her husband, how wouldm't she have had at least a couple of children over the 4 years? She'd have to have fertility issues for that not to have happened, and more likely than not she doesn't. And little children die a lot in war zones and refugee camps.

LuckyLou7 · 08/03/2019 20:34

I don't doubt that Shameena had a baby, but I do wonder if it is true he has passed away.

Justanotherlurker · 08/03/2019 20:34

Thought I'd accidentally fallen into the Daily Mail's comment section here.

The enlightened one has descended on us...

JacquesHammer · 08/03/2019 20:35

Its interesting that we should be expected to support the horrible, consciously chosen, activities of one young woman, on the grounds that if we dont we are letting down the sisterhood?

I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. You can still express sorrow for a woman losing children, without supporting her actions.

GregoryPeckingDuck · 08/03/2019 20:35

That’s very sad. I hope it didn’t suffer.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 08/03/2019 20:35

It's really sad he passed away. I feel for all the innocent children that have died as a direct result of this quest for the caliphate..in particular the innocents like yadizi people.

YogaWannabe · 08/03/2019 20:36

wE sHOulD lIfT EAcH OtHER Up InSTeAd Of TeArINg eAcH uDdER dOwN

Even if the person in question sought out a terrorist organization who are responsible for the dealths of countless innocent men, women and children.
Groomed my arse 🙄

sleepalldays · 08/03/2019 20:37

@YogaWannabe 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 thank you!

GregoryPeckingDuck · 08/03/2019 20:37

@sitdownstandup it’s flyhe first hand account of multiple Isis brides that they were forced to take contraceptives to avoid pregnancy. Presumably being fathers would have made their husbands less effective fighters.

MajesticWhine · 08/03/2019 20:37

I obviously don't know the truth of the situation, but I have no good reason to disbelieve it. Of course it is incredibly sad. She is not without blame but she was only 15 when she got sucked into this, so essentially she is a victim.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 08/03/2019 20:38

I'm thinking about leaving mums net. The hypocrisy is astounding. I can normally appreciate other people's viewpoint but the hate and prejudice is literally making me feel a bit sick today (also reading the 'is it OK to have sex with someone else other than the dad when you're pregnant' thread)

If it was your 15 year old that had been groomed online and brainwashed, if she had fallen for a guy online who was part of some gang who carried out violent criminal acts and had systems online to recruit young girls to the gang , you would be quite rightly blaming the man, and the gang, before your daughter. You would be saying she's underage, she was groomed online, she's been brainwashed, she was still a child who was easily influenced and made some bad decisions, she needs another chance.

But for this girl it's 'make her stateless and I'm glad her baby died'.

Sickening