Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

Babies are a consequence of sex, not a punishment.

2 she should have used protection, then shouldn’t she?

How easy is it for teenagers in Alabama to access contraception? How well informed were these 16 year olds about the risks? Isn't Alabama one of those places where abstinence only is taught?

Sounds like he understands what he did and is prepared to accept the consequences.

Which consequences?

Spending 9 months pregnant? Nope
Giving birth? Nope
The high possibility of complications through labour? Nope
Possible PND? Nope
The slog of having to recover from giving birth to a child you're unable, unwilling and unprepared for? Nope
The emotional trauma of all the above? Nope

No vagina, no rights when it comes to a 6 week old foetus, so get to fuck with your woman-hating nonsense.

Anybody who’s lost a baby, whatever the means, wold be able to understand his desperation
Absolute bullshit and a horrendous thing to say. How on earth do you make the comparison between miscarrying, or worse, a wanted pregnancy, and this situation? Unless you're an IWD troll here to raise my blood pressure.

Babies are a consequence of sex, not a punishment

Abortions are a consequence of unwanted pregnancy, not a moral judgement or a means to control another human

@ThunderStorms yes, a consequence she dealt with.

"He may not have abstained, but he understands that sex can lead to pregnancy and wants to be ale to look after the baby."

I could give some credence to that opinion. But it should mean that he abstains until at least 21 and has sex within marriage, or a committed relationship, to a Woman, also over 21.

We cannot give any Man, who we have sex with, total rights over our body and life.

"Welcome to Gilead", indeed.

No.

Not a troll. Someone with an opinion different to yours.

BODILY AUTONOMY

It's really not difficult to understand.

@ThunderStorms "feminism"?! You're talking about a man being able to force a woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth. How on earth could that be considered even the 'leftiest' form of feminism?!

I don’t base my feminism on a made up TV program, thank you

You do realise that absolutely everything that happens in the book, and in the TV series, is based on something that either has happened, or is currently happening, in the real world somewhere? Margaret Atwood insists on it.

1. It's actually a critically acclaimed novel
2. You're no feminist

Anybody who’s lost a baby, whatever the means, wold be able to understand his desperation

No actually not. I had a miscarriage at 8 weeks last year and I still support a woman's (or girl, like in this case) right to an abortion. Being pregnant again and feeling miserable the past 5 weeks (I'm 10+4 weeks pregnant) has only reinforced my opinion of how much of a choice it is for the woman. No one should go through a pregnancy (and later childbirth), feeling absolutely miserable, while also not wanting a kid. That is unbelievably cruel. The girl is 16.

She aborted an embryo at 6 weeks. It's not even a fetus, how about you stop yourself.

Christ, there’s some misogyny on this thread. Don’t you dare call yourself a feminist, @Thunderstorms, you don’t know the meaning of the word.

He may not have abstained, but he understands that sex can lead to pregnancy and wants to be ale to look after the baby.

Nah, he just wants money. And other people want it to succeed so they can control "their women". Because even if he is successful, he will never have to "look after the baby" as it doesn't exist. So he can act the "bereaved father", try to claim $$$ in compensation, drag the girl's name through the mud, all with no actual risk to his social standing and lifestyle. He isn't actually going to have to give up work to look after a baby, after all.

if he is successful, he will never have to "look after the baby" as it doesn't exist. So he can act the "bereaved father", try to claim $$$ in compensation, drag the girl's name through the mud, all with no actual risk to his social standing and lifestyle. He isn't actually going to have to give up work to look after a baby, after all.

Anybody who’s lost a baby, whatever the means, wold be able to understand his desperation

What bollocks.

I lost twins at 23 weeks, had to go through a hellish time delivering them both. I can't begin to describe the absolute heartbreak I still feel when I think of them, but have no problem condemning him as an absolute tool for his desperation and behaviour. Don't be so foolish as to think that people some women go through harrowing miscarriages that others should be forced to become Mothers when they're just not ready. That's not how any kind of civilised society works and as much as I'd have loved my twins to survive, I fully respect the decision made by that 16 year old not to become a Mother at that time. The two have nothing to do with one another.

According to The Daily Beast the group supporting the lawsuit is Personhood Alabama. This is a group trying to ban abortions in Alabama. This trial is going to be used to try to undo Roe vs Wade. It should have no chance of winning but in Trump's America it could actually win. Horrific

Losing a baby, at any gestation, is not the same as aborting at all. The flip side of sorrow is not forced birthing.
Circumstances matter and a womans choice should be paramount.

In an odd sort of way, I'm grateful to posters like Thunderstorm. They're a useful reminder that there are people out there who would like to remove women's bodily autonomy, and therefore a useful reminder to the rest of us never to become complacent.

If you're interested in facts, the Guttmacher Institute does a yearly summary of statistics for numbers of abortions and maternal deaths, by country. Every year the same basic pattern emerges: making abortion illegal does not reduce the number of abortions, it simply increases the number of women dying. And if you're serious about reducing the number of abortions, the best way to achieve this is comprehensive sex education, publicly funded contraception, and safe, legal abortion as a back up.

Anybody who’s lost a baby, whatever the means, wold be able to understand his desperation

Desperation? He's a teenage boy ffs. His brain isn't fully developed. And how many teenage boys are desperate for a baby? Not many I would imagine.

Fundamentally he's an idiot. It's unlikely to get far because you can't sue people for undertaking legal acts. It was perfectly legal for her to exercise her right to an abortion. Legally the clinic doesn't require his consent. You may morally disagree with that and think he should have a say, but legally the clinic didn't have to have it as it's her right to exercise her bodily autonomy. End of story

Men should never have autonomy over a woman’s body. They make a choice where to ejaculate and that is where their choice ends. Until they can also experience pregnancy and birth they have no say.

Well isn’t he just a delight to think he needs to be consulted over a medical decision a woman makes.

We don't know anything at all about the two people in this specific case. We don't know their personalities, or what circumstances led to her being pregnant. Lots of projection going on.
I do think fathers should get a little bit of rights tbh, but I think the woman should get far far more, and as the two can't possibly sit together, it has to be the woman's choice.

Losing a wanted baby is not the same as terminating an unwanted pregnancy, how can the two even be compared?

I have had two very tragic and traumatic missed miscarriages but also have four wonderful DC. I still back any woman who wants a termination all the way and that support has only been exacerbated by my own pregnancy/birth experiences. Nobody should be forced through that against their wishes.