Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

If you think a woman should be allowed to abort 'just because' she doesn’t want to be pregnant or have a baby, then a man should be able to walk away from a pregnancy and baby (and not be tied in financially) 'just because' he doesn’t want the baby.
You mean like many many men do now?
Many men find a way to not pay for their actions, leaving the woman holding the baby and struggling to afford food

*It’s such a painful and personal subject to talk about but I feel that if a man and a woman decide to have sex (I.e. not rape etc) then they have to accept the consequences of that decision.

If that means that a life is created then they should deal with it. If either party is unable to cope with a pregnancy then don’t have sex, stick to a handjob and fingers. If you have sex there’s a risk of becoming pregnant. If you don’t want to accept that risk then don’t have sex.*

Its not painful for some of us, for some of us it's a valid medical procedure.
Like it or not, abortion is dealing with the consequences of one's actions. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

I can guarantee I'd be split with my partner if I followed your logic of don't want to be pregnant, don't have sex.

I had dd at 22, I knew the day she was born I was never again having another. You seriously think I'd live another 80 odd years with no sex or that my dp would have stuck around with no sex? Talk about naive to reality. You'd rather people live unhappy, kids get left in broken homes after sexless parents split simply cos you don't like abortion. Pathetic really

The argument that a possible consequence of sex is pregnancy - therefore ‘if you are not ready or prepared to be a parent then don’t have sex’ is so utterly idiotic I cannot believe it is still banded around.

No form of contraception is 100% foolproof. Accidents happen. They ALWAYS will.

So.... a type 1 diabetic woman with complications who cannot carry a baby without seriously endangering her own life must never, ever have sex?!

Neither should a woman in her late 40s raising a special needs child even though should she fall pregnant she cannot hope to care for a baby properly?

Both these situations happened to people I know, who had terminations. These are extreme examples but if you don’t want to continue with a pregnancy for WHATEVER REASON then that is your absolute right.

What utter simplistic crap to say ‘if you don’t want a baby don’t have sex’. Are we really having this discussion still in 2019?!

It can only ever be the woman’s choice, because it’s HER body, HER life.

I agree with him. It takes two to make a baby. If she didn’t want a baby, take the pill, get the implant, there are so many options out there. And if he didn’t want a baby use protection. I applaud him for stepping up and being willing to deal with the consequences of their actions, raising a baby being the consequence they knew was a possibility when they BOTH decided to have sex. It was his baby too, now he doesn’t even have the choice

Its his baby, too.

PP does have a point. Do the father's rights and unborn baby's rights not matter one iota.

No. They don’t. Because they don’t exist.

Not read the full thread but it sounds like something from Gilead!

A six week old embryo does not have rights, ffs.

“I applaud him for stepping up and being willing to deal with the consequences of their actions”

That’s not what he’s doing though is it. The pregnancy has been terminated, there is nothing to “step up” to, it’s just lip service. He and his backers are now just harassing his ex girlfriend because they want men to be in charge.

If she didn’t want a baby, take the pill, get the implant, there are so many options out there.
And when contraception fails, one of those options is termination.

Except that HE and MEN are being told (on this thread) that if they don’t want to risk a pregnancy, they must abstain from sex. Double standards when you are up in arms about suggesting, therefore, that women ought to abstain, then, for the same reasons.

I haven't read the full thread
Please don't read if you are pregnant or planning to for the first time since i am being dramatic and i might scare you off!

I think men should have a right AFTER they are willing to experience the whole nine months of pregnancy and consequences of birth. Oh, wouldn't that be fun and enlightening for them. I mean imagine!

• I am sure there are tablets out there that can make you feel sick. So what you say ladies? 4-6 weeks of morning sickness? Oh wait! It's not just morning is it?? It's ALL FUCKING DAY AND NIGHT sickness. And let's not forget that some women go through hyperemesis through the whole 9 months. But let's not be so cruel, shall we? But then again no one gave us an option in the level of sickness we had.
• Having a cold. That moment when you walk through the pharmacy doors hoping to buy your usual cold and flu remedies only to be told with a big smile, "Nope, none for you! Here l have some paracetamol. Not gonna help with your blocked nose or your non stop cough, but hey maybe it will have some placebo effect". Now let's combine the cold with feeling sick as well. Damn, i am a bitch.

-Swollen hands and feet? I am sure we can find some kind of drugs that will cause some swelling. What fun to realise that your shoes don't fit you anymore and anything you wear is so damn uncomfortable. -Immodium for the constipation effect, because let's not forget the hours of sitting on the toilet wishing with all your heart for the laxatives the GP gave you along with the hundreds of fruit you ate to take effect.

• A fake heavy baby bump for the back ache sensation. Which of course you can only take paracetamol for it since your good old ibuprofen friend is a distant memory. as is your sex life
• Excuse me, what was that? You like paté and brie cheese? Say goodbye to those too along with a few other food choices AND alcohol. Oh god, the alcohol. WHAT! You at least want a cigarette to see you through? Nope, none for you. Why? Because you know, you are fake pregnant.
• Mood swings.. A few hormones should create that lovely effect.
• A diuretic for the 'i need to pee 10 times at night' effect. Sleep? What sleep? You are too big to sleep. So no sleeping for you. Might as well since you need to pee all that time remember? Do keep up, dear.
• I heard there are some type machines that can copy (sorry, can't think the appropriate word) labor pains? Now, if you enjoyed your 9 month trip so far this is the cherry on the top! Because labor is like you see in the movies right? A few ARGGHH moments, a couple of pushes and here we are! Umm, no sorry. They lied to you. Well, ladies, how long shall we put them in labor for? I went through pains for 33 hours until baby came out. Some women are less some much longer! Shall we have a labor roulette type of thing? Men, please remember that no breaks can be taken once your fake labor has started. No amount of begging or crying will make it go away. You just have to get on with it. Just look for the bright side. You soon will have your 'right' to make a woman have your baby whether she wants to or not. So just focus all your energy to that!

-Congrats, you just pushed your fake baby out. Surely, it's all over and you can go back to your good old self that you once were nine months ago. DING DING!!! WRONG! Sorry, as your consultant i think you need stitches. To your private areas.... Yes, you read right. Sex is gonna be much different from now on. I mean you might feel a slight discomfort the first few times but it will get better! Not all women suffer with bad consequences after having to be sewn up! -Oh wait, I almost forgot. Sorry, Tom, you aren't having a vaginal penis birth. After, hours of agony we need to take you for an emergency C-section. Let's hope after we stitch your stomach back you won't have an complications like an infection. But hey, anything to force a woman to do what you want. If she can go through with it i am sure you will cope just splendid! -Surely, now it's over? Umm, I don't know. Did the midhusband remember to inject you with your baby blues hormones? Because you can't have that authentic experience without that moment when you are sitting in your living room holding your baby and crying a river because the world is so cruel and how you are gonna protect your innocent baby from it all while your partner is sitting there rubbing your back and trying to remind you for the 100th time that day that is JUST your hormones and it will pass. Meanwhile, that makes you cry even harder especially when you realise you ate the last chocolate bar. -Also, you aren't allowed to remove the fake bump and extra weight yet. No no no! It takes a while to go back to being the size you used to! So spend the next few months feeling unlovable and unattractive. How is sex going by the way? Oh still hurts? I am sure your GP will make that precious referral at some point! Here's a handhold.

• So baby blues hormones have wore off by now. How exciting for you! Oh what's that! Did someone order PND hormones for Tom? Poor Tom, first a C-section and now this? I hope you have support from your partner. Oh no, your partner things you are being dramatic and annoying and can't deal with you anymore? LTB Tom, you deserve so much better when you are going through this long fight against women's right to do what they want with their body.

I am sure there are many more scenarios i haven't included but you get the idea.

If men are willing to walk in a woman's shoes from day 1 of pregnancy until the end and then some more if you count in long term issues then and only then should they have rights by law. Maybe that journey will make them appreciate more what a woman goes through for her children.

Sorry about grammar/spelling mistakes. Not an english speaker by birth.

Please note this post is not meant to offend any women that had a hard time with pregnancy. Just to highlight how ridiculous it is for a man to make a decision when he doesn't have to endure the consequences. They are entitled to an opinion and to voice their wants but to have the last say by law? No just no. Not when they don't know how it feels.

Boohoo, double standards, poor men. My heart bleeds. Yes, men who don't want women to have abortions should abstain from sex, since pregnancy is a risk. Women who don't want abortions can make the same choice. Women who are willing to terminate pregnancies should fill their boots.

What you are repeatedly failing to understand is that biology sets up a double standard: only women can get pregnant, only women can abort; therefore only women get to choose. That's just the way it is. Sorry if you think this makes the world an unfair and unbalanced place for men, but perhaps you might be better off on the bizarro world of Reddit or 4chan.

Damn i wrote an essay. Apologies

No, what is being said on this thread over and over again is that a woman has Bodily Autonomy and therefore get to decide what happens to her own body.

Yeah, I don't get this either. I had a friend at university who had an unplanned pregnancy because of contraception failure. It was a tough decision but she weighed up the options, did a lot of calculations about her finances, researched the options for continuing her studies and ultimately opted for a termination. It was the most "adult" thing any of our gang had to face at university and she faced up to it as an adult and without support (the boyfriend was a bit useless and her own family had their own issues).

I don't understand the warped kind of reasoning that says that my friend wasn't "taking responsibility" or "dealing with the consequences of her actions" , when that's exactly what she did.

Double standards when you are up in arms about suggesting, therefore, that women ought to abstain, then, for the same reasons

How many times has it been explained to you WHY this doesn’t stack up as a “tit for tat” situation?

A man has ONE chance to decide he doesn’t want to be a father. Before he has sex.

A woman has MORE chances to remedy pregnancy if she doesn’t want to be a mother.

That isn’t some massive anti-man conspiracy, it’s Year 7 level biology.

burritofan - yeah, it's funny how the same people who mansplain about how feminists just don't understand that men and women are different and those differences mean you can never have equality of outcomes are usually the same people who have a complete meltdown when faced with a rare scenario where biological differences between the sexes arguably work in women's favour.

@BlessedDolphin In case you didn't realise, not all contraception is 100% fool proof. Pregnancy should not be a PUNISHMENT for sex. It may be a consequence, but termination is taking responsibility and control. And he was unemployed (still is) he had no intention of looking after the baby, he couldn't even look after himself. It is all about money for him and control. Read the full thread, all of your arguments have been more than answered.

@ThunderStorms it is only mentioned that men can abstain from sex AFTER you lot start on about women should abstain from sex. You can't see that you're a hypocrite and the one who has the double standards.

No one else.

Bottom line; pregnancy does not, and should not, be a lifelong punishment of sex. We have the wonderful thing called termination, and every woman has rights to avail themselves it. Who knew women could have rights over their own body, and not a parasite?

That finger-wagging “well you have to deal with the consequences” (meaning see the pregnancy through to term) is so foul an attitude. It is espoused by people who claim to value the life of the baby and yet are prepared to use a baby - an individual little person, that will become a child, an adult, with a whole life of their own - as a punishment for a woman. When I got pregnant and had a baby it made me more pro-choice, not less. Forcing women to have babies as punishment for having sex punishes the baby too - how can people who supposedly value “innocent babies’ lives” live with that?

Luna how can you be so forward thinking about termination and yet yesterday you offended so many of us with your backwards thinking about SEN? I'm very

That finger-wagging “well you have to deal with the consequences” (meaning see the pregnancy through to term) is so foul an attitude. It is espoused by people who claim to value the life of the baby and yet are prepared to use a baby - an individual little person, that will become a child, an adult, with a whole life of their own - as a punishment for a woman.

Bloody this!

These people don't see that foetus as anything more than a way to punish a woman for having sex. They don't give a fuck that it will grow to be a baby, then a child, then an adult, and the life it might have. It's only useful to them as a punishment, the 'consequence' for the woman. If they truly cared they would all be working with single mothers, fostering children, working with children who have come from difficult backgrounds. Some of them might be, most of them fucking aren't.

That girl has already dealt with the consequences of having sex by having an early, safe, legal abortion. If this man doesn't want the consequences of someone aborting a foetus that is made with his sperm, then he needs to stop ejaculating inside women doesn't he?

Please don't read if you are pregnant or planning to for the first time since i am being dramatic and i might scare you off!

I'm really not a drama queen, but to be fair, that account of pregnancy wasn't really that dramatic, that's pretty much par for the course. I had two relatively 'easy' pregnancies and births (ok, they weren't really easy, but I'm really lucky in that I don't have any long term effects) and pretty much all of those things happened to me.

It does make you think actually. We do it because we have to if we want a baby, and we accept that, and it's women who have done it since the dawn of time and it's just the way it is, and we know that 'it's all worth it in the end'.

But actually, when you think about it, it's a huge deal isn't it, even when it's pretty straightforward.

This man can do the whole world a favour and go fuck himself (literally actually!)

Obviously wants to be famous for being famous......for being stupid! Not to mention selling "his story" to anyone who's daft enough to print it. Like, maybe, The National Enquirer?

He's like some kind of throwback to the days of Henry VIII when women had even less than zilch rights.