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Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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amusedbush · 08/03/2019 13:07

metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

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hel123 · 11/03/2019 11:07

Having autonomy over my own body is a given, as far as I'm concerned, and it's really concerning to think that others can argue against that, as we're seeing on this thread.

Some of you might like to read Jodi Piccoult's latest novel, 'A spark of Light'. Yes, it's fiction but it covers the pro and anti choice arguments in America in real detail. Set in a women's health clinic.

Something from the book really leapt out at me: it's easier to get a gun in some parts of America, than an abortion. Enough said, the world has gone mad!

iDontShareChocolate · 11/03/2019 11:40

RockyFlintstone
I put that in there just in case anyone found any of it distressing. Mainly, the labour parts. just realised i have been spelling that wrong When i was close to my due date i couldn't bare to watch any movie/tv shows scenes with labour in it or read anything about it.
But yeah if you sit down and list all the changes your body is going through it's just unbelievable but you just have to get on with it and it's 'easier' if you want it. Imagine going through all that against your will!

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 11/03/2019 13:01

These people don't see that foetus as anything more than a way to punish a woman for having sex. They don't give a fuck that it will grow to be a baby, then a child, then an adult, and the life it might have.

So much this. Like I said I'm only alive because abortion was illegal when I was conceived.
I was emotionally and mentally abused, i was sexually abused, I was beaten. I still count myself lucky because I was adopted as a baby and was out of the system.

A system so full of neglect and abuse that thousands of babies and children didn't survive and the ones that did? Some were so severely damaged they are still institutionalised as adults. Some ended up on the streets, in prostitution, living in sewers ,on drugs, frozen to death.Some are severely disabled physically and mentally despite being born healthy due to neglect and bad conditions. Some didn't even make it in the system, abandoned in rubbish bins ,woods , etc.
Hundreds or girls and women, maimed,rendered infertile , or dead because of back streets or DIY abortions. Plenty of girls concealing a pregnancy, too afraid to tell anyone, starving themselves so they don't show, giving birth alone and then afraid to even look at their baby because they knew they had to give them up.

If you really cared..about women, about babies, about humanity in general you would never try to force a woman to give birth to a baby she doesn't want. You wouldn't try to force a baby being born unwanted.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 11/03/2019 13:08

That's without even mentioning the unwanted kids kept by mothers who made sure they know exactly how much they weren't wanted for the rest of their lives.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 11/03/2019 15:44

That finger-wagging “well you have to deal with the consequences” (meaning see the pregnancy through to term) is so foul an attitude. It is espoused by people who claim to value the life of the baby and yet are prepared to use a baby - an individual little person, that will become a child, an adult, with a whole life of their own - as a punishment for a woman

Dead right, Symphony

That baby, once born, isn't just a toy to be fought over - it is a sentient being with needs and feelings - physical, spiritual and emotional. It shouldn't be used as a pawn, or weapon by a stupid, selfish, shiftless layabout to control aa woman and deprive her of autonomy, and frustrate her potential. And if she is equally stupid, selfish, and shiftless - all the more reason not to land an infant with two parents who can't or won't bother.

Every child should be wanted, every child should be loved, and every child should be cared for. There are people who want to do the best for their children but don't know how - then it is the state's job to offer support and assistance (if families fail to step in). And there are people for whom a child is a chance to score a few points - these people are usually the most vociferous about their "rights" to be a parent, but s=don't actually want any of the responsibilities that go with that role.

And it seems from what I have seen that the "pro-life" groups are only keen that a pregnancy should go to term - they wash their hands of what happens to the child afterwards, Born into poverty, with an underage depressed mother who now has no chance of making something of her life? Well, tough - should have thought of that before she got herself pregnant (because obviously it isn't the fault of any male, who is just doing as nature intended . . .).

Her body, her future, her choice her decision.

Men don't get a say (they wouldn't expect to have a say in another man's bodily autonomy - why in a woman's?).

The foetus doesn't get a say (unless it is viable - at which point, for the health of both mother and child, medical consultation be sought). A blob of cells is not a person. And you can't say it has the potential to become a person, because so does every ovum and every spermatazoon. (Though I dare say that out there in the world there are people who think that if women have periods they should be charged with murder - because if they were following their biological function, they would be constantly pregnant, and those precious eggs wouldn't get washed away in a sea of blood . . . . )

SchadenfreudePersonified · 11/03/2019 15:49

Sarcasm

Flowers
WhenWillItAllEnd · 11/03/2019 17:05

Those arguing on the basis of biology and fairness are missing the point entirely I feel. There is nothing natural about abortion, it's available because of technology, like contraception. It is these things which enable women to have sex without the consequences nature otherwise dictates.

I say this because this is precisely why the thing is even debated, control access to the technology that allows women to get around nature and you control womens sex lives. Men do not have it tougher by any stretch of the imagination.

Sparklesocks · 11/03/2019 17:25

WhenWillItAllEnd abortions have been performed for centuries, it’s not a new concept or anything to do with technology - the only difference is we can now do them safely and with sterile equipment. Not sure what your strange comments about men have anything to do with it.

HiHoToffee · 11/03/2019 17:26

That makes sense, they can't sue the girl for having a legal abortion so they go after the technology, the clinic and manufacturer..

WhenWillItAllEnd · 11/03/2019 17:30

Sparklesocks

If abortion was a natural biological thing then men could not control womens access to it. It's precisely because neither it, or contraception, are natural that women's sex lives can be controlled by men in the first place.

Sparklesocks · 11/03/2019 17:35

WhenWillItAllEnd ah I see now, thank you for clarifying.

WhenWillItAllEnd · 11/03/2019 17:43

The men who think it is unfair are totally confused. Nature does "punish" sexual activity by women with pregnancy if that's the way you view it. Myself, and I'm willing to bet all the women on here, have and have had a sex life that is entirely enabled by technology. Technology makes it more fair if you like.

LunafortJest · 11/03/2019 19:06

@QuirkyQuark It's no wonder you're confused. You confuse 'backward' with plain common sense. Supporting a woman's right to choose is plain common sense.

mumlost1940 · 12/03/2019 06:27

Let's end humiliating women with the word Abortion. They have the right - in law - to a Termination of Pregnancy.

differentnameforthis · 12/03/2019 09:20

@QuirkyQuark It's bad etiquette to bring disagreement from one thread to "prove a point" (badly) on to another thread. Leave discussions on the threads they belong on.

burritofan · 12/03/2019 10:12

How is the word "abortion" humiliating? It's simply common parlance for termination. It's doesn't mean it's dirty or bad or morally wrong. Besides, when anti-choicers want to humiliate or scold women they don't call it abortion either: they call it "killing babies" Hmm

UnspiritualHome · 12/03/2019 18:20

I agree that there is nothing humiliating about the word "abortion", and frankly we insult women if we say there is. After all, a miscarriage is also an abortion.

MamaDane · 13/03/2019 15:32

Maybe we should call it by its full name, elective abortion. Not to be confused with missed abortion or spontaneous abortion.

squeekums · 13/03/2019 22:34

I agree with him. It takes two to make a baby. If she didn’t want a baby, take the pill, get the implant, there are so many options out there. And if he didn’t want a baby use protection. I applaud him for stepping up and being willing to deal with the consequences of their actions, raising a baby being the consequence they knew was a possibility when they BOTH decided to have sex. It was his baby too, now he doesn’t even have the choice

If he don't like abortion, tough shit, he slept with a pro choice female. She retains all rights to her body. He has no say and rightly so. She is not his incubator

Its his baby, too.
PP does have a point. Do the father's rights and unborn baby's rights not matter one iota

There was no baby, it was at best a fetus, most likely still technically an embryo.
They both have NO RIGHT to a woman's body, she is not an incubator for hire. She does not have to remain pregnant against her will. If a guy is against abortion, don't sleep with a woman who is pro choice as guess what, her right to choose what her body endures comes first

MatthewBramble · 13/03/2019 23:05

At the back of all this is an ambitious young lawyer with political aspirations. I'll lay money on it.

mumlost1940 · 14/03/2019 06:40

MamaDane.. Yes: you are almost there. I would introduce an improvement - Elective Termination.

UnspiritualHome..The term Abortion is a misnomer and serves to blame/shame women. A natural miscarriage is an abortion. The term abortion distorts all rational argument that favours a Woman's Right to Choose.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 14/03/2019 14:21

If he don't like abortion, tough shit, he slept with a pro choice female. She retains all rights to her body. He has no say and rightly so. She is not his incubator

Very well said Squeakums

Pumpkinheadmisfits · 14/03/2019 18:18

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SaskiaRembrandt · 14/03/2019 18:29

Blessed dolphin and thunderstorm are incels

Possibly, but it's not really relevant. Attractive men with active sex lives don't get to control women's bodies either.

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