Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

We don’t need to know anything about the two people. We don’t need to know whether they used contraception.

A man can and must never had a say in whether a woman can abort a pregnancy.

He’s just an abusive, MRA puppet for a big organisation - www.personhoodinitiative.com/about-personhood.html

She was 16, legally a minor, still in high school.
He was 19, legally an adult, unemployed.
Her father alleges that his daughter was pressured into sex she did not want, that the boyfriend was coercive and controlling.

She had a very early medical termination, not a surgical one, with the full support of her parents.

Can you imagine being stuck coparenting with a manipulative, abusive tosser like this for 18plus years?

Fuck the fuck off.

Im shocked that anyone (especially a woman) can agree with what this man is doing. If he wins his case then would that mean a rape victim could be forced to carry a child conceived by the crime?? It’s just crazy. A woman has a right to make the choice of wether to carry a child or not. She aborted at 6 weeks, it wasn’t even a baby. I feel sorry for the woman being dragged through all of this just because some dick head feels he should be in control of a woman.

StepCatsmother, my reading of the article might be wrong, but it seems to me that the fact that this case is being allowed to be heard means that, in Alabama, foetuses now have the same rights as people already born. As another poster has said.

YY to the point that banning abortion simply results in more women and children dying, and more families being trapped in / put into poverty.

The damage caused by to women and girls by pregnancy childbirth - both mental and physical - up to and including death

Are irrelevant.

How easy is it for teenagers in Alabama to access contraception? How well informed were these 16 year olds about the risks? Isn't Alabama one of those places where abstinence only is taught?

It is, assuming any sex education is taught at all. State schools in Alabama are not required to teach it.

This is less about a single teenage boy feeling 'devastated' at the loss of a baby than it is about misogynists trying to overturn Roe v Wade. Chilling stuff.

6 weeks 6 fuckign weeks.

Women are in prison in some countries for miscarrying.

At least one woman in USA has gone to prison for damaging herself while pregnant - attempted suicide was the famous case.

A lot of these anti abortion types just enjoy punishing women TBH

How does he even prove that aborted foetus was his?

Btw - This is why women must fight to retain ownership over ‘Women’s Rights’ - if stuff like ‘not all pregnant people are women’ is codified into law then we won’t be able to hold the line that prevents men making decisions about women’s pregnant bodies.

IIRC she'd have been at higher risk of birth injuries as she was so young so should she then be allowed to sue him for compensation for what she had to go through. How about private tutoring for the classes she'd have missed? Maternity clothes? Does she get extra if she suffered from morning sickness or SPD?! What if he wanted her to BF?

What if women think they're partners should have a vasectomy, should they be allowed to force men to undergo an unwanted procedure.

Or maybe, we should be allowed to decide what happens to our bodies regardless.

" If he wins his case then would that mean a rape victim could be forced to carry a child conceived by the crime??"

Yes of course
As has been in the news the other week, and previously has happened in NI etc

Also when a foetus is afforded the same rights as the woman/girl it is inside, it can and does result in decisions that do not have the woman's/girls best interests at heart.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-47400819

This is what these people want, also this

www.pri.org/stories/2018-12-14/salvadoran-women-bond-serving-long-sentences-crime-miscarriage

It's all very compassionate and caring.

"" If he wins his case then would that mean a rape victim could be forced to carry a child conceived by the crime??""

Wouldn't that follow only if the rapist wanted to keep the baby?

He wants abortion banned and is being supported by an org after that.

If he wanted the father to have the decision then logically it would mean forced abortion as well. Which is not what him or his backers are interested in.

He said he believes life begins at point of conception >> (so all abortion is wrong).

This really has nothing to do with 'father's rights' or 'power' over this particular woman's body. That's not why this suit was filed.

It has everything to do with an anti-choice organization finding a patsy and backing him on this lawsuit in order to get his case to the Trump Supreme Court in order to overturn RvW.

It's 100% about controlling women and girls.

She was 6 weeks pregnant.

she needs to realise that actions have consequences.

Do you really believe she doesn't realise that, snowdrops? She's gone through all the shock of realising she was pregnant, deciding what to do about it, having the father pester her repeatedly about keeping the baby, deciding to terminate, arranging it, and going through the termination itself - which is hardly a walk in the park. Can you conceive of the possibility that she might just have worked out the correlation between actions and consequences as a result of that process?

Sorry, that was meant to be addressed to raindropsinspring.

Does that mean men should be able to force women to have abortions if they don't want to be a father too.

That's good point Stones.

This is the trouble when everyone has "rights" - some people's rights trump other people's rights - and men have more power.

diddl yes, only if the rapist wanted it, remember though, around 90% of rape cases do not make it to court (lack of evidence) so people may not even be aware that a child was conceived through rape. Can you imagine being forced to carry a child you don’t want and one conceived through violence/rape?

What if women think they're partners should have a vasectomy, should they be allowed to force men to undergo an unwanted procedure

Now that’s a case I’d like to see go to court. You see that scenario on here sometimes where a woman has fallen pregnant as hormonal contraception is hard for her to tolerate but her partner won’t have a vasectomy.

Let’s see the double standards in bodily autonomy raised then.

FWIW I believe a vasectomy should only happen in cases men are 100% in favour. Maybe it’s because it took us so long to have dd, but it’s a huge thing psychologically to give up your fertility permanently. I dislike the ‘it’s his turn now’ mentality.

It beggars belief that this is happening in 2019.

Sounds like he understands what he did and is prepared to accept the consequences.

Those consequences include the possibility that the mother doesn't want to be pregnant, that she may miscarry, and that she may choose to terminate. This boy doesn't seem to be prepared to accept any of those consequences.

This is making me cry at my desk. That poor girl. I am just so glad her family have been supportive and she's not with that guy anymore.

And so sorry to the women of America facing the overturning of Roe v Wade.

This shit is why we have to keep.fighting the good, and exhausting, fight.