Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

My husband who is recently starting to question his anti abortion stance thanks to call the midwife made a valid point. Was he this attentive to every ejaculation? Maybe she should counter sue for child abandonment for every time he knocked it into a tissue.

Sorry but that is wrong, for someone to have so much control over TWO lives, make excited plans and then deem it an inconvenience, when it was originally a planned and loved baby

So the man should have control over the woman’s body. You’re saying a man should be able to force a woman to go through 9 months of pregnancy?

Was he this attentive to every ejaculation? Maybe she should counter sue for child abandonment for every time he knocked it into a tissue

Has he watched Legally Blonde? “Why now, why this sperm” (little lighthearted relief in a emotive topic!)

I thought hubby was being really insightful. His guilty pleasure has been exposed. But regardless of where it's from he has a valid point.

The problem here is that yes, it is unfair to men. There is no denying that. It is incredibly sad if a man wants the baby and the woman doesn’t. But there is no way round it - it absolutely has to be the woman’s choice. Because anything else is nightmarishly unacceptable. A woman could choose to have the baby and give it to the man to bring up But that is, again, her choice.
A woman’s choice. Always.

Some people do not seem to get this so I will say it loud and clear

IT WAS NOT A BABY!! IT WAS A SIX WEEK OLD FOETUS THAT LOOKED LIKE A LITTLE ALIEN.IT HAD NO NERVOUS SYSTEM, THEREFORE NO CONCIOUSNESS. SHE DID NOT MURDER A BABY. SHE TERMINATED A POTENTIAL LIFE

ThunderStorms clearly nobody talks to you honestly "IRL" because you are so judgemental about anyone not succeeding effortlessly at womaning.

It wasn't until after I'd had my first baby and almost died that friends and acquaintances told me about their births, I was shocked initially by how many had incontinence especially. One friend was doubly incontinent following the delivery of her second child and had to have multiple operations over the following two years to fix damage. One woman was traumatised after a crash section and really struggled for a long time - a very capable professional woman not used to being so completely out of control. One woman was on crutches for almost a year due to damage to her pelvis and many others had back problems. Two were readmitted due to horribly infected caesarean wounds needing intravenous antibiotics.

In fact bar one woman everyone I know had either a birth injury themselves or there was significant worry about the bab and time in NICU- born blue, cord around the neck, sepsis, premature, or readmitted for one of various reasons in the first couple of weeks after birth.

The only women who had found both pregnancy and birth so easy she said she enjoyed both with no injuries to the baby nor or lasting physical problems had been unable to establish breastfeeding and gave up after 10 days because her baby was still losing weight, and felt guilty about that).

Birth trauma is a taboo subject. Somehow I suspect Thunderstorms is the last person any woman would open up to. The standard "Yes all fine, lovely, we're very happy" would be the response anyone would give Thunderstorms regardless of what really happened.

Well there's a thread ongoing now about a man demanding an abortion. Does your logic still apply? It's half his baby, he should get a say, it's not right for one person to decide for two people etc. If you want it one way it needs to work for the other too. How does that link with the pro birth stance?

YourSarcasmIsDripping - Indeed. Leaving aside the pro-forced birth movement (and I wish we could leave them aside), the kind of guys agitating for an equal say in women's pregnancy choices aren't dreaming of adorable squishy newborn cuddles. They want the right to force their girlfriends to abort, and if they can't have that then they want the legal right to completely abandon the child without any financial obligations. In other words, they want a right to the completely consequence-free sex that they whine about women having (as though an abortion isn't a consequence in itself, even if it's a wanted abortion).

I wish we could set aside all this stuff about birth Injuries and the trauma of pregnancy.
Even if a woman breezes through pregnancy and has a trouble free 6 hour labour she should only do that if she wants to Her. Her choice. Nobody else’s, no conditions, no caveats. No need for explanation. HER CHOICE.

BertrandRussell whilst that's true, some people seem incapable of understanding what they're asking for, and seem to think going through pregnancy and birth is a minor inconvenience like keeping a parcel in your hallway for someone and handing it to them after 9 months.

@HipHopTheHippieToTheHipHipHop Terminating a pregnancy IS accepting the consequences. Pregnancy should not be a punishment for having sex. Terminating is taking responsibility.

Agreed, Bertrand. ‘Because I don’t want to be pregnant’ is a valid reason to terminate.

I find it both hilarious and shocking in equal measure, that someone who thinks that a man should be given the power to be able to force a woman to go through pregnancy and birth, would then go on to talk about their 'feminism'.

Sheesh!

“BertrandRussell whilst that's true, some people seem incapable of understanding what they're asking for, and seem to think going through pregnancy and birth is a minor inconvenience like keeping a parcel in your hallway for someone and handing it to them after 9 months.”

Yes I know- but focusing on the potential risks and trauma allows for all sorts of whataboutery. And sometimes sounds a bit hyperbolic.

@user1471464432 - I don’t agree with that but it really doesn’t seem fair that men are told they should abstain from sex but women aren’t?

But they are. What do you think it means when we are told "if you don't a baby, keep your legs shut"? That it is inevitable that sex = pregnancy and if we don't like it, we shouldn't have sex.

EVERY fucking thread we have on here someone says that. In all of my 15+ years on here, I have seen it in pretty much every thread! With women who are contemplating terminations being told she shouldn't have had sex if she didn't want to get pregnant. Along with assumption all the pro-lifers here are spouting about her not using contraception. How do you know she didn't?
How do you know he didn't stealth her?
How do you know he isn't abusive, and raped her? It's already alluded to that he pressured her into sex

Can we not trust that this girl KNEW what she was doing? Can we not trust in her enough to trust that she knows her situation better than us, and her decision to do what she did was hers, and hers alone?

Plus, what he is doing here? He is publicly shaming her for making a choice she had good reason to make. He has told the world her personal information and she risks being outed because of it. If it goes to court her details will be leaked and she will have to put up with a huge amount of publicity regardless of the outcome.

Is that a man you would want to have a child with? A man who thinks it's OK to tell the world what a girl of 16 did with her own body, in order to pile a huge amount of public rage on to her? THINK about what this will do to her. He couldn't control her then, and wants to control her now. He sounds like a fucking gem, doesn't he? At least he has made sure no one will want to date him now.

Yes it’s funny that isn’t it?

Everytime something comes up about a woman having to terminate its “well she should have kept her legs shut”

Nothing about him? Did she make that baby all by herself?

differentnameforthis - ah, you've reminded me of my least favourite kind of mumsnet thread: the kind where the OP is describing an abusive/ controlling partner and gets the inevitable ten-page pile-on from smug mumsnetters asking why she had kids with an abusive man when she should have used contraceptives/ kept her legs shut.

I wonder how many forced birth supporters have adopted,are foster carers, work for SS , work or volunteer for children charities,refuges etc. Or does their interest stop at birth?

Not that if they did it would give them the right to decide for another woman.

Or does their interest stop at birth?

Yup. They’re not “pro-child” or “anti-abortion”. As you said they are solely “forced birth”.

"At least he has made sure no one will want to date him now."

Sadly, I doubt that will be the case, because internalised misogyny is a big thing. My mother always used to go on about how much more stressful it was having a teenage son than a daughter because some slapper might ruin his life by getting herself knocked up, and he wouldn't have any control over whether she had an abortion. Of course, it would only be his life ruined because having a baby at 15 is a complete picnic for a girl .

So yeah, probably there will be plenty of women who see him as a lovely guy who just wants to be a daddy and the girl as a devious baby-killing trollop.

@differentnameforthis
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Exactly what you’ve just said!

Anybody who’s lost a baby, whatever the means, wold be able to understand his desperation

Another person adding to say this is nonsense.

We lost a pregnancy early on, a much wanted and long awaited pregnancy. It was awful, heart breaking. I'd still never force a pregnancy onto a woman, let alone a 16 year old child. My dh would never dream of dictating that onto any woman either, again especially a teenage girl.

And a 6 week pregnancy isn't yet a baby. It is still an embryo, not yet a fetus and not yet a baby. By using the word baby you are trying to be more emotive.

I don't understand this at all. Why is this an argument?!?!? Women are quite capable of making decisions over things that affect their own bodies and at the point we are talking about (6wks) it is a part of their body like a growth or a parasite. If she decides that it's not in her best interest to continue to play host then that is her decision. Full stop. End of story. No one else gets to question it because its her body and her mind and nothing else factors in. I think to argue anything else is to argue women are fundamentally less autonomous than men and less capable of fully conceptualising the consequences of an action. Women are amazing creatures and quite capable the fact that we own the uteruses shouldn't leave us with less rights and less autonomy. I genuinely cannot believe some people don't see it that way regardless of whether they personally would go through an abortion

Hey, @user1471464432 - I don’t agree with that but it really doesn’t seem fair that men are told they should abstain from sex but women aren’t?

Case in point vvvv

If you don't feel ready to have a baby,/ raise a child, your not ready to have sex.

Every. Fucking. Thread.