Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

Sounds like a creepy stalker to me. Surely this case will be thrown out

If you think a woman should be allowed to abort 'just because' she doesn’t want to be pregnant or have a baby, then a man should be able to walk away from a pregnancy and baby (and not be tied in financially) 'just because' he doesn’t want the baby.

If you say to abort or not is WHOLLY the woman's choice, then the man's choice comes pre and post conception.

Don’t go chasing men for their money if they get no say in the abortion or pregnancy, when the woman decides to keep the baby and the man wants to abort.

ThunderStorms

You’re arguing against biology again.

If you think a woman should be allowed to abort 'just because' she doesn’t want to be pregnant or have a baby, then a man should be able to walk away from a pregnancy and baby (and not be tied in financially) 'just because' he doesn’t want the baby.
No. Because those two scenarios are not the same. "If you think X, then Y" doesn't actually follow.

Because what you actually mean when you write "a woman should be allowed to abort 'just because'" is "a woman's body and her medical choices are her own." Therefore "if you think a woman's body and her medical choices are her own, a man should be allowed to financially abandon his child" – see how that makes no sense whatsoever? You can't equate female bodily autonomy on one side of the equation with right to refuse to pay child maintenance on the other. Two different concepts.

Thunder are you suggesting that the right of a man to consequence free sex be prioritised over the right of a born child to be supported by the adults who created them?

then a man should be able to walk away from a pregnancy and baby (and not be tied in financially) 'just because' he doesn’t want the baby.

Reality check. Plenty do exactly that!

then a man should be able to walk away from a pregnancy and baby (and not be tied in financially) 'just because' he doesn’t want the baby.

How many times have you seen a post where a woman is having trouble getting a penny out of their ex’s?

Ones who live with their parents supporting them so they don’t need an income.

Those who quit their jobs and claim benefits so they don’t need to pay

Those who are self employed, but fudge the paper work so they either don’t need to pay or pay such a pathetic amount there’s almost no point.

So many men turn round and say fuck you. I ain’t paying a penny.

So many men walk away without a second glance leaving women holding the baby

Imo - pregnancies are a widely accepted consequence of sex, men and women know this, however there are two ways to deal with this consequence either you abort or don't and women get to choose because it is them that endure if they chose not to abort. Men know that there is a consequence of sex and they don't get the choose because they don't have to endure the phsyical and mental consequence however when they chose to have sex they accepted the possibility of a child therefore they are expected to pay maintenance which is nothing considering the ramifications left to the woman if she chooses not to abort. We are not arguing a difficult point here. WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS IN THEIR BODIES

If either party is unable to cope with a pregnancy then don’t have sex, stick to a handjob and fingers. If you have sex there’s a risk of becoming pregnant. If you don’t want to accept that risk then don’t have sex

Mwahahaha. I'm 53 and STILL not ready to have a baby. Have had an awful lot of sex, though

If you think a woman should be allowed to abort 'just because' she doesn’t want to be pregnant or have a baby, then a man should be able to walk away from a pregnancy and baby (and not be tied in financially) 'just because' he doesn’t want the baby.

That's already happening.

Deniers of The Women's Right to Choose termination of pregnancy, will never engage on the latter definition : the term abortion suits them.
A work colleague had two abortions. She objected to the diagnosis on her medical certificate where her doctor stated Abortion. As her manager and with her permission, I questioned the term, he explained - I paraphase - " Abortion is the natural spontaneous expulsion of a developing foetus without external human interference.. unless it is procured - artificially brought about." Lay people use the term - a miscarriage... Abortion is a strictly medical term."
I believe the word Abortion is hijacked so as to avoid addressing Termination of Pregnancy. So long as this term is avoided, Abortion, rather than Termination of Pregnancy, dominates debate. Women are not seeking abortions but termination of pregnancy which is legal and their right.
I am a retired nurse and provided the conditions as set out in law are complied with, Termination of Pregnancy is a provision freely available in the NHS. Not so in Northern Ireland, where many laws are skewed by historic minority vested political interest. Thus Termination of Pregnancy proponents are prevented from making the case for the woman's right to choose. It is time to set aside the evocative, provocative term abortion.
In 1939, I was conceived, as a consequence of rape in Co. Tyrone N.I. A protestant sire - a catholic woman. My mother shamed and shunned in her catholic community was given money to flee N. I. and procure an abortion in London. She used the money to obtain accommodation. I was born prematurely in hospital. The Marie Stopes Charity put my mother in touch with a Charity The Crusade of Rescue - the rest is history. I live in Co. Fermanagh since 2000 and have never made contact with either side of my birth heritage. I support calls for a change in the law as it pertains currently in N. I. and support the women's right to choose - not an abortion but termination of pregnancy..

I decided I didn't want another child at 27. Does that mean I should never ever have sex again?

You think a decision to terminate a pregnancy should have the agreement of the man and the woman?

Ideally, yes. Rape is obviously different.

What if they can't agree? Whose decision should be final? (In your opinion?)

If the man's - why, when he has contributed nothing but a spermatazoon and hasn't undergone any physical, emotional or mental health risks, or had what is effectively a parasite growing inside of him, limiting his movement, diet, and social interactions for nine months.

If the woman's - then why take her to court when her decision is the one to be followed anyway?

And what happens when the baby is born and the man turns round and says - "I've changed my mind."?

Or indeed, the woman does "I've fallen in love with my baby - you aren't having her/him"?

We aren't talking about a goldfish here - this is a minimum of 18 years of physical, emotional and financial commitment.

I decided I didn't want another child at 27. Does that mean I should never ever have sex again?

You seem to think a man shouldn’t in that scenario

Unless she was raped it doesnt even count.

You say that, but I can 100% guarantee that If she had said she was raped you would be saying “her word against his, she is crying rape now because she got pregnant, if it was rape why didn’t she report it? If it was rape why didn’t she take the morning after pill?” And plenty more of the oh so boring rape myths idiots like you have on the tip of your tongue at all times.

That being said, when a man can have an embryo transferred to his body to gestate,

Excellent idea. This should be offered to men who say they want to raise a baby that would arise from an unwanted pregnancy. Take the cells from the woman and insert them into the man. Then whatever happens, is his responsibility.

Rape is hard enough to prove in a court of law without throwing in pregnancy.

Like a PP said, how many people will turn round and say “she’s only crying rape because is pregnant”

Rape is obviously different.

It's always interesting to hear the terms in which anti-termination compaigners give rape special status. It is usually because they are deeply suspicious of women having agency and control over their own reproductive capacities, which is seen as a threat to a conservative social order, whereas raped women, or women whose foetus has an anomaly incompatible with life, can be 'safely' seen as victims who don't actively choose to terminate of their own free will, and hence not a threat.

This is Sally Rooney, from an essay I quoted earlier on the same issue:

Those who object to abortion, but make an exception in the case of rape, cannot be primarily concerned with the sanctity of the unborn: a foetus conceived by rape is no different from a foetus conceived by consensual sex. To make an exception for women who can be classed as victims is to display fear and anxiety of the woman who is not one, but who would simply exercise her right no longer to be pregnant.

BeGoodTanya totally agree. I actually have more time for hardline anti-choicers who don't make exceptions for rape & incest (while obviously still disagreeing with their stance), because that view suggests a genuine belief in life beginning at conception. Anyone who is anti-abortion "except in X circumstance" isn't really anti-abortion at all. They're just anti-women-who-enjoy-sex.

Well that’s the crux of it isn’t it

It’s 2019 and yet people still frown on women enjoying sex as an activity and not just procreation

Men sleep around, they are a player

Women sleep around she’s a whore, a slut, let down her family

Nope. That’s not what people are saying. It’s what you are choosing to hear.

A foetus has no rights as it is not a legal entity in law. Therefore, I can’t understand why the Alabama Courts have even granted this chap Personal Rep rights. He can’t even prove that he was the biological father as there is nothing & no one to DNA test against. Also, it is a violation of her medical confidentiality. Whether you’re pro life or pro choice what it boils down to is that this case should never, ever have got this far as no laws have been broken or legal rights violated.

A foetus had equal rights with the woman carrying it in Irish law until legislation was changed after the referendum of 2018.

Totally agree ToftyAC But who cares about a woman's medical confidentiality when a man's feelz is much more important

No it would not stick here thank goodness. There was a case years sgo where a man tried to prevent his ex seeking a termination but the law is very clear here - at the moment at least