Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

lmao cute, no careful edit dear, thats your full sentence.

You omitted the other sentences to fit your narrative...

Which implies that it's easy being a woman and since we pro choice that we must hate or find it hard being a women.

I was referring to all the (numerous) posts listing examples of people’s awful births/ pregnancies etc etc. Funny how in here no one breezes through it like many do IRL.

Miscarriages are unfortunate natural occurances and can cause great grief. They are not a deliberate action of terminating a pregnancy because the mother doesn't want the baby.
Call me harsh, but pregnancy is a natural consequence of having sex. Not all contraceptions work. If you don't feel ready to have a baby,/ raise a child, your not ready to have sex

Your not harsh, your an idiot. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Like an std is a risk of sex, broken down that's what pregnancy is, a risk of sex. Luckily we can fix that issue if we so needs.
By your logic a woman should be happy to breed her whole childbearing years. Do you think many men in long term relationships will say "it's ok honey, we won't have sex if we having no more kids" ?
Not all miscarriages cause grief. I know a woman who found out she was pregnant, started freaking out about how to pay for an abortion, bout a week later she naturally started miscarrying, I saw literal jumping for joy.

Life does start and conception, as the egg and sperm have all the components of creating a human life and a heart starts at a very early part of pregnancy. We all started as an embryos. What mortal being has a right to destroy the process and f a human life to form?

Wrong, a potential life begins at conception. If there is no willing or able host there is nothing at all.
I have a right to remove or fix anything that is a risk to my health and wellbeing.
Pregnancy is not an obligation

I was referring to all the (numerous) posts listing examples of people’s awful births/ pregnancies etc etc. Funny how in here no one breezes through it like many do IRL

In my life I'm the only one who as you say 'breezed through', physically
Mentally pregnancy and childbirth ruined me on top of issues I already had

Many I know physically have had many issues during and after pregnancy, that were caused by pregnancy. Seems you just only choose to acknowledge that unless a woman is ripped from hole to hole she breezed through, forgetting the mental impact on many woman

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What about the poor unborn baby's body that is being destroyed. Doesn't he or she have a right to life? Usually it is the father of an unborn who doesn't want the responsibility of being a father and therefore pushes/ persuades the mother to terminate the child. Surely if this man or his family wanted to take the responsibility to raise the child than no baby need die.

No, an embryo or fetus has no right to use a woman's body. She does not have to be an incubator.
If you need blood or an organ, you can't demand a person give you one, even if you will die. Same goes for an embryo or fetus, it has no right to a woman's body without ongoing consent.
For there to be a bay he would be forcing a woman to risk her life and body. Screw that, she owes him or the pregnancy NOTHING

Just for clarification. The 19 yr old male is NOT suing the girl for aborting his foetus. He is suing as the 'personal representative on behalf of the foetus'. He has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the clinic who performed the abortion and the manufacturer of the pill used.

I know in the long run it's sort of the same thing. But it's specifically about restricting access to abortion services by creating legal culpability for the provider rather than specifically punishing a woman for having an abortion.

That being said, when a man can have an embryo transferred to his body to gestate, then he can decide whether or not continue a pregnancy. Or in the US, if he can provide a surrogate to continue the pregnancy via embryo transplant.

It's not about simply giving a baby to the father to raise, it's about what pregnancy does to one's body, mind, and education or career paths. That is what no man has the right to decide for any woman.

To give a man that level of control over our bodies would be to hand them a very powerful weapon. They wouldn't contemplate for a second handing over a similar level of control over their bodies to us. Hell, they won't even license a male contraceptive pill!

That being said, when a man can have an embryo transferred to his body to gestate, then he can decide whether or not continue a pregnancy. Or in the US, if he can provide a surrogate to continue the pregnancy via embryo transplant.

if that embryo starts out in a woman's body, that woman has the choice whether to transfer or not and the choice whether or not to continue the pregnancy. No one else. I would hate to live in a world in which I could be forced to transfer an embryo to a surrogate at someone else's behest. If I want a termination, then that is that.

I was referring to all the (numerous) posts listing examples of people’s awful births/ pregnancies etc etc. Funny how in here no one breezes through it like many do IRL.

Well I don't know many who breeze through it tbh (you mix with superior women obviously) but some have easier times than others. Some die. Some are permanently affected physically. I had a textbook easy pregnancy and then nearly died. I do admire your risk appetite that you think it ok to tell another human being that "many breeze through it" so suck it up.

lots of people die because of lack of kidneys for transplant. Why isn't live kidney donation required by law? Or live liver donation. Many people breeze through kidney donation. Surely it isn't black and white but a grey area which we should discuss?

I wonder how he would feel if he was with a woman who didn’t want a child, and therefore took him to court to force him to have a vasectomy against his will and despite the risks and pain involved?
If he genuinely believes a man is entitled to control a woman’s sexual organs and reproductivity simply because he’s having sex with her, then by the same logic surely a woman should be able to control a mans for the same reason.

Or even easier, he shouldn't have been having sex with a woman that is pro choice.

It’s such a painful and personal subject to talk about but I feel that if a man and a woman decide to have sex (I.e. not rape etc) then they have to accept the consequences of that decision.

If that means that a life is created then they should deal with it. If either party is unable to cope with a pregnancy then don’t have sex, stick to a handjob and fingers. If you have sex there’s a risk of becoming pregnant. If you don’t want to accept that risk then don’t have sex.

Well... at least I RTFT
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You think a decision to terminate a pregnancy should have the agreement of the man and the woman? Ideally, yes.

I wonder what happens when they reach agreement on the basis that the man will take full responsibility for the child, only for him to change his mind and walk away before the birth? Or if his circumstances change, e.g. through illness, so that he can't look after the child? The woman is left with the awful choice of looking after a child she didn't want or putting them into care.

I believe that killing a baby in the womb or out of the womb is wrong.

So what happens when leaving the foetus in the womb will kill the mother? Or when she needs life saving treatment that will kill the foetus? Is aborting that foetus still wrong?

I really don't understand what part of this people don't get. There are two possible consequences of an unwanted pregnancy: giving birth after nine months, or having an abortion. Either of those options amounts to "facing the consequences" or "taking responsibility for your actions". If you believe that a pregnant woman should always be obliged to choose the option that carries the longest-term, most onerous consequences for her (pregnancy and spending the next twenty years raising a child), then I can only assume you think she's something wrong by having sex and needs to be punished. Funny how the people who go on and on about how much they love the little babies are the ones who think unwanted babies should be born into misery just so they can be an instrument of punishment for slutty women.

done something wrong

Some one said while the 'Baby' is in her body' so acknowledging it's a baby.
Why shouldn't a man, who probably dearly loves the unborn child, have a say.
I have a close friend who's daughter was in a long term relationship, who got pregnant, but as it was inconvenient to her, she had several modelling shoots over the next few months, decided to abort it at 18 weeks, her partner was devastated as they had decided names, planned childcare the lot.
She told him not to worry, they could do it again in 2 years. She went ahead with the abortion, He had a breakdown and they split up. Sorry but that is wrong, for someone to have so much control over TWO lives, make excited plans and then deem it an inconvenience, when it was originally a planned and loved baby.
I know not all situations are like this, but there must be many, and it's seems wrong that a baby can be taken away from someone, just on a whim.

Stupid man just wants his name in the media because he has no control over a woman's body and he doesn't like it.

Stupid man just wants his name in the media because he has no control over a woman's body and he doesn't like it.

Oops I meant to say... This! ^

Let’s home she countersues him for stress caused to her by publication and loss of confidentiality .
At the end of the day regardless of your personal stance on abortion if it’s legal then it’s totally a woman’s right to choose - he’d be better reflecting on why she chose abortion then staying and raising a kid with him .

If he is successful the result would be that every clinic has to consent from the father of the baby before performing an abortion. This can't be allowed to happen. But then, lots of weird and unpleasant decisions seem to take place in Alabama. If I lived there I'd be prepared to start a start civil war over how they deal with women's rights. It is absolutely terrifying.

Like the 12 year old who was raped by a family member, but had to go to court to be allowed to have an abortion.

www.al.com/news/2017/07/alabama_court_rules_12-year-ol.html

What a fucking disgrace.

If she was 16 and a senior in high school then she must've been academically bright, as that would be the equivalent of taking your A levels at 16. Not sure why I'm mentioning it but she may have been socializing with people who were in her grade i.e. 18 yr olds and that's how she met the 19 year old.

His behaviour at bringing a lawsuit is very controlling.

I doubt he wanted the baby at all. He just wanted to be in charge. Or rather, those who are funding this lawsuit wanted him to be in charge. It’s easy for him to be all sad and wistful about it when there isn’t actually going to be a real live baby who has to be raised.

Why shouldn't a man, who probably dearly loves the unborn child, have a say.

He can have a say. He just can't have the final say.

She told him not to worry, they could do it again in 2 years. She went ahead with the abortion, He had a breakdown and they split up. Sorry but that is wrong, for someone to have so much control over TWO lives, make excited plans and then deem it an inconvenience, when it was originally a planned and loved baby.

But in this scenario, if you are saying the mother's decision to have an abortion can be vetoed by the father, that would be giving him control over both the mother's and foetus's lives. How can that be right?