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AIBU to ask if you changed your opinion about Brexit

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Flyingfish2019 · 06/03/2019 22:26

We had a lot of Brexit threads but I think not about this topic. As somebody who does not live in Britain I wonder if you changed your opinion about Brexit now that you heard that a hard Brexit is most likely. Would you vote different if there was a second vote?

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BoneyBackJefferson · 11/03/2019 20:41

Crimebustersofthesea and TonightJosephine

Whats wrong is that a quarter of the population didn't have a vote (under 18), so your numbers are null as is the percentage that didn't vote.

Why because they didn't vote so you can't say how they would have voted.

Some people can't understand the difference between "those who voted in the referendum", "the electorate" and "the population".

I see that we are back to belittling people.

I know enough to see when someone is spouting bollocks about numbers, and wants to swap terms that mean completely different things. I also understand that you may not like it as it doesn't suit your narrative.

SunnyInGrimsby · 11/03/2019 20:51

Leave then and doubly Leave now.

Parker231 · 11/03/2019 21:06

@Sunny - why?

Ivegotthree · 11/03/2019 21:26

Voted leave, more inclined to vote leave than ever.

Underthemo0n · 11/03/2019 21:38

Voted to remain and would vote to remain again. Depending on the outcome of this shitshow I may immigrate as I have the option of Israeli or Irish nationality.

TonightJosephine · 12/03/2019 09:46

I know enough to see when someone is spouting bollocks about numbers, and wants to swap terms that mean completely different things.

I said that the percentage of people who voted leave is 52% of those who voted on the day, 37% of the electorate and about a quarter of the population.

I'm still not sure which part of this you think is factually inaccurate or intended to mislead.

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/03/2019 17:09

TonightJosephine
I'm still not sure which part of this you think is factually inaccurate or intended to mislead.

lets start with

A sizeable minority for sure, but still, they are outnumbered about three to one.

You infer that all of these people would vote remain when this is not the case. You might as well say that remain is outnumbered by three to one.

You can't just add numbers to your tally and expect people to accept it.

Frankly if you want to play Schrodinger's ballot box you go ahead.

10IAR · 12/03/2019 17:12

You infer that all of these people would vote remain when this is not the case. You might as well say that remain is outnumbered by three to one

Not according to recent yougov polls.

TonightJosephine · 12/03/2019 17:57

You infer that all of these people would vote remain when this is not the case.

I was specifically responding to the not-so-veiled threat of leave voters getting angry and possibly violent if Brexit isn't delivered.

The point is, the number of leave voters who will "take to the streets" or whatever they plan on doing isn't actually that high as a percentage of the population. I think the threat is overstated.

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/03/2019 18:23

The point is, the number of leave voters who will "take to the streets" or whatever they plan on doing isn't actually that high as a percentage of the population. I think the threat is overstated.

If that is your point you could get it across by stating that

the number of leave voters who will "take to the streets" or whatever they plan on doing isn't actually that high as a percentage of leavers

There was is no point in bringing in the rest of the population.

TonightJosephine · 12/03/2019 18:44

Well there is when people start banging on about 52%. I assume they are either being disingenuous or not very numerate.

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/03/2019 19:10

TonightJosephine

Maybe they are talking about the electorate and you are getting confused.

TalkinPaece · 12/03/2019 20:51

BoneyBack
Are you happy with what happened in the HoC today?
re you happy that all other legislation has effectively been on hold for three years?
Do you still think Brexit will be worth it?

TonightJosephine · 12/03/2019 22:18

Maybe they are talking about the electorate and you are getting confused.

It doesn't really matter what they're talking about because the numbers are the same either way.

DioneTheDiabolist · 12/03/2019 22:22

I'm delighted at what happened in the HoC this evening. Tomorrow, No Deal will be rejected too.Smile

BoneyBackJefferson · 13/03/2019 07:03

TalkinPaece

Are you happy with what happened in the HoC today?

I haven't been "happy" since they invoke article 50 without a plan at the behest of the EU

re you happy that all other legislation has effectively been on hold for three years?

"Effectively" been the keyword. A quick search shows you what has been passed and what state various other legislation are at in a system that is notoriously slow.

Do you still think Brexit will be worth it?

Whose, theirs, mine, yours?

Parker231 · 13/03/2019 07:05

@Dione - and then what? MP’s have the vote whether to extend A50 and as the EU have said there is no amendments or new deal, we crash out on 23 May instead. Whatever way you look at it, it’s going to be a disaster.

ContinuityError · 13/03/2019 11:00

I haven't been "happy" since they invoke article 50 without a plan at the behest of the EU

The EU stated that they wouldn’t start negotiations until A50 was invoked.

That didn’t mean that the UK couldn’t decide what it wanted through cross party talks before invoking A50.

DioneTheDiabolist · 13/03/2019 11:09

Or put it back to the people in a new referendum asking Revoke, WA or No Deal, since our MPs can't decide.

Or TM could allow MPs to vote on revoking.

LaurieMarlow · 13/03/2019 11:11

at the behest of the EU

They didn’t invoke article 50 at the behest of the EU. They did it because May wanted to make some big statement to her party and leave voters.

They were woefully unprepared. And don’t appear to have made any progress in the meantime Hmm.

10IAR · 13/03/2019 11:21

As PP have said the EU did not demand A50 was invoked.

They stated they would not negotiate until it was.

Why none of this wrangling occured before the clock began ticking is beyond me, especially since TM hasn't listened to a word the EU have said since!

Helmetbymidnight · 13/03/2019 15:39

since they invoke article 50 without a plan at the behest of the EU

unbelievable

BorisBogtrotter · 13/03/2019 16:23

I love how leavers are now blaming the EU for this issue.

We could have planned before article 50, in fact a department was created for it.

Did they do their job?

Did they feck

BoneyBackJefferson · 13/03/2019 19:17

BorisBogtrotter

I am not blaming the EU for the mess that we are in, It is entirely down to the powers that be in the UK.

But lets not ignore the fact that the EU demanded that article 50 be invoked and invoked at speed.

Yes May could have told them to get lost, but lets not ignore what went on on both sides.

TonightJosephine · 13/03/2019 20:31

May didn't invoke Article 50 due to pressure from the EU FFS. She did it because of pressure from the nutters in her own party.

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