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AIBU to ask if you changed your opinion about Brexit

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Flyingfish2019 · 06/03/2019 22:26

We had a lot of Brexit threads but I think not about this topic. As somebody who does not live in Britain I wonder if you changed your opinion about Brexit now that you heard that a hard Brexit is most likely. Would you vote different if there was a second vote?

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SonEtLumiere · 11/03/2019 07:34

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surferjet · 11/03/2019 07:46

Responsibility for what?
I voted for something that I’m not going to get.
I do not live in a democracy anymore, I live in a fascist dictatorship.

& I’ll be voting for whatever anti EU party that evolves out of this, UKIP probably.

This country is fucked.

SonEtLumiere · 11/03/2019 07:48

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surferjet · 11/03/2019 07:51

Well you can congratulate yourself when Tommy Robinson is an MP.
Because you would have put him there.

Have a nice day Smile

TonightJosephine · 11/03/2019 07:52

I’ll be voting for whatever anti EU party that evolves out of this, UKIP probably.

I don't think UKIP and evolution are concepts which really belong in the same sentence.

time4chocolate · 11/03/2019 07:55

Depending on the outcome of this week's votes, I shall be taking a good look at how the new Brexit party develops that's for sure. If that doesn't get off the ground then there are other political options.

A large proportion of this country may well lurch far right.

As Surfer says, this country is fucked.

surferjet · 11/03/2019 07:56

Certain sections of the U.S said that about Donald Trump. Now look at them.

TonightJosephine · 11/03/2019 07:57

A large proportion of this country may well lurch far right.

They already have. But I find that less worrying than the prospect of no deal.

time4chocolate · 11/03/2019 07:59

They already have. But I find that less worrying than the prospect of no deal

Not yet they haven't.

surferjet · 11/03/2019 08:02

A large proportion of this country may well lurch far right

That’s a certainty. MP’s have admitted it.
We’ll end up like other EU countries who have popular extreme right wing parties - parties that make UKIP look like the Boy Scouts.

Windowsareforcheaters · 11/03/2019 08:02

I live in a fascist dictatorship

Which shows your total and utter ignorance of facist dictatorships.

We have enough problems in this country without people spouting this kind of nonsense.

To hold another referendum or not is a nuance of a predominantly democratic system to say anything else is just silly.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 08:04

You don't live in a fascist dictatorship. You wouldn't recognise one if it was kipping in your cornflakes if that is how you judge this situation. The ignorance on this is shocking.

Helmetbymidnight · 11/03/2019 08:05

Well you can congratulate yourself when Tommy Robinson is an MP.
Because you would have put him there

GrinGrin

oh surfer, seeing comfortably off brexiteers who dont give a fuck about the economy tantrumming because they might not get to fuck over the country will never grow old.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 08:06

@surferjet of all the things you have said that is the most ridiculous.

corythatwas · 11/03/2019 08:14

Nope. It's panned out pretty much as I thought it would: increased levels of xenophobia, no sign of any better deals than we already had, widening opportunities for billionaires to line their own pockets, and signs that the dismantling of the NHS is imminent.

The only thing that has mildly surprised me is the complete lack of embarrassment of MPs who go on television and are not ashamed to reveal that they had done sod all homework in 2 1/2 years, can't be arsed to look up the basics, and will happily repeat the same old misinformation that was disproved in 2016.

And the complete national indifference in the face of election fraud- that did surprise me.

surferjet · 11/03/2019 08:15

No it’s not, because that’s exactly how I feel.
I was told by my prime minister that the referendum was a simple ‘in or out’ vote, there would be no ‘best of three’ - the result would be binding. Fair enough he expected to win but that’s not the point.
I’m not getting what I was promised.
I’ll be looking into suing the government, and I hope every single leave voter does the same.
I’m sure some ‘disaster capitalist’ lawyer will oblige.

TonightJosephine · 11/03/2019 08:16

Right, let's look at this logically.

The number of people who voted leave in the referendum amounts to about a quarter of the population. A sizeable minority for sure, but still, they are outnumbered about three to one. That includes people who have now changed their minds (not a huge number, but there are some as this thread shows), a lot of older people (who somehow I can't see going on EDL marches and smashing shop windows) and a lot of other perfectly nice, normal, civilised people who might want to leave the EU but would sooner sprout wings and fly than join the far right. So the number of people we are talking about is, in reality, not as large as some would have us believe.

Secondly, you seem to be looking at this from the point of view that cancelling Brexit means lots of people are very angry and move towards the far right, whereas going through with it means we stroll towards the sunlit uplands and everyone is happy except a few remoaners still chuntering away about orchestras and their children's right of free movement being taken away.

I don't share your vision of what Brexit is going to look like. I think it is going to be properly shit for a large majority of the population. I believe there will be wide scale job losses, hitting working class people in places like Sunderland and Derby and Grimsby and Port Talbot particularly hard. If we leave Euratom (which is currently on the cards) then a lot of leave voters are going to find their access to cancer treatment curtailed because we can't import the necessary radioactive isotopes the way we do now. I believe supply chains are going to be severely disrupted and people will start to panic when the supermarket shelves are running low on stock or they can't get their prescriptions filled. The pound will take another nosedive, pushing the price of almost all goods up even further.

You might call this "Project Fear" but I call it "Project Reality". And that's why I find it hard to get worked up about the idea of people lurching to the far right. I think we are kind of fucked either way for the foreseeable future, but political movements come and go whereas crashing out of the EU will create severe, long-term disruption and deprivation which will affect us at least for the next generation and may well be unfixable.

As for your threat to vote for Tommy Robinson (or, to give him his real name and not the cheeky chappy pseudonym he created to appeal to the man on the street, the millionaire Stephen Yaxley-Lebanon), I'm curious about this one.

Will you join the far right if we end up leaving with Theresa May's deal, or if we decide to leave with a soft, Norway style Brexit, or will you only do it if we don't leave at all? What would be the trigger point for you?

TonightJosephine · 11/03/2019 08:17

I’ll be looking into suing the government, and I hope every single leave voter does the same.

You know you can only sue someone if they've breached your legal rights, and not just because you're pissed off, yeah?

I really wouldn't waste your money, my love.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 08:19

"Sue the government ". Utter nonsense. I'm sure some unscrupulous lawyer would love bleeding you dry to find that load of rubbish.
Here's some advice for free: live with it.

TonightJosephine · 11/03/2019 08:19

Also I LOLed at "parties that make UKIP look like the boy scouts".

If UKIP had any real leadership, or purpose, or members with any skills, they would look a little bit more like the boy scouts.

time4chocolate · 11/03/2019 08:23

The number of people who voted leave in the referendum amounts to about a quarter of the population. A sizeable minority for sure, but still, they are outnumbered about three to one. That includes people who have now changed their minds (not a huge number, but there are some as this thread shows), a lot of older people (who somehow I can't see going on EDL marches and smashing shop windows) and a lot of other perfectly nice, normal, civilised people who might want to leave the EU but would sooner sprout wings and fly than join the far right. So the number of people we are talking about is, in reality, not as large as some would have us believe

Your first paragraph is very naive, particularly this bit:

and a lot of other perfectly nice, normal, civilised people who might want to leave the EU but would sooner sprout wings and fly than join the far right

I would put myself in this category and yes I would vote for any party that was anti-EU but that doesn't mean I would go on marches and smash windows, I would be quietly making my point. It's the quiet and non shouty people that duped everyone into thinking we would remain. Ignore and dismiss (again) at your peril.

TonightJosephine · 11/03/2019 08:27

If you make your point quietly and without harming anyone else or trashing the economy then I have no problem with that.

LaurieMarlow · 11/03/2019 08:27

Well you can congratulate yourself when Tommy Robinson is an MP. Because you would have put him there

Brexiteers inability to take responsibility for their own (real and hypothetical) actions goes on and on and on ...

FFS I’d expect more from my 5 year old.

TonightJosephine · 11/03/2019 08:29

Anyway, does anyone want to answer the question about what they think their personal trigger point would be for joining a yet to be identified far right movement?

If we leave with Theresa May's deal, would that be OK?

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 08:29

I thought we weren't supposed to worry about bully boys and thugs which is why we don't need to comply with GFA. I'm confused @surferjet , we are supposed to worry about hurting the feelings of a few hundred white supremacy louts. But not supposed to worry about pissing off the remnants of the IRA because that's giving in to violence.