AIBU to ask if you changed your opinion about Brexit

[Flyingfish2019]

We had a lot of Brexit threads but I think not about this topic. As somebody who does not live in Britain I wonder if you changed your opinion about Brexit now that you heard that a hard Brexit is most likely. Would you vote different if there was a second vote?

Many of us in that older demographic are able to think critically

Are young voters unable to think critically or would 'proper'/'correct' critical thinking only lead someone to believe that a second referendum is necessary? I think the whole message very nicely captures the attitude towards Leave voters held by a reasonable number of Remain voters: that their decision to vote Remain was the product of a combination of stupidity, xenophobia and base self interest.

Why should I care about other people feeling 'bittnerness and loathing'? Seriously?

I don't believe you should, I don't believe the personal feelings of any voting group should be a factor in overruling a democratic decision.

I don't know why leavers are so against this idea, given their confidence that they are in the right.

Personally, I don't see the justification given for it as valid, considering that we haven't even left the EU so the actual effects have yet to be seen.

that their decision to vote Remain

Apologies, that their decision to vote Leave

@Surferjet
You won, get over it.
Now tell us what positive changes in your day to day life you are looking forward to in April.

No voted remain and I remain a remainder!

Well, for all my bravado on these threads over the last 2 years, I’ll be honest, deep down I don’t think we’ll be leaving at all.

& once remainers have stopped rolling around the floor in orgasmic pleasure ( which will probably go on for about 5 years ) the country will be more divided than ever & we’ll still have all the problems we have now.
Still, at least orchestras can whizz through customs & the middle classes can get nannies for £3.00 an hour.,

surferjet if you're right then as a remainer of course I would be pleased if we didn't leave. However, it looks like we can agree on one thing, I will remain incredibly saddened by the huge division that this whole situation has ripped through our country (which I do actually love, I know you find that hard to believe )

So if we take into account the numbers of new eligible voters and work the usual magic with numbers. if they all voted on the last lot of figures remain is still 2 million voters short (approx)

If you look at the numbers further and realise that only 75% (ish) of young people voted, that gives 1 million (ish) voting for remain.

Still short.

So why isn't there a big push to try and get the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote the first time to vote?

Yes because that's what being in the EU is all about...

Still, at least orchestras can whizz through customs & the middle classes can get nannies for £3.00 an hour

Stereotyping just a bit.

I'd rather believe the Office for National Statistics forecast (and obviously it is a forecast) than some random guy on the internet thanks.

Still, at least orchestras can whizz through customs & the middle classes can get nannies for £3.00 an hour.

says the brexiteer who says she doesnt give a fuck about the economy and that she and all the leavers she knows are comfortably off.

What a sad, grubby little moment in British history this is.

No one wins and no one should take pleasure.

Op you will find that everyone on both sides will vote exactly the same. Which is why a second ref is utterly futile.

Totally agree. The people who didn't vote last time would ideally vote this time but I suspect they won't.

If referendums are advisory why do we need a second vote?

Are young voters unable to think critically or would 'proper'/'correct' critical thinking only lead someone to believe that a second referendum is necessary?
Don't be daft, Gronky. You specifically mentioned the older demographic, hence my response. Neither did I say anything about 'proper/correct' critical thinking leading in any particular direction, as I think you well know. Critical thinkers of whatever age/political shade should be capable of looking at what has happened over the past few years and considering whether they still believe what they believed earlier and whether we should still go ahead now that we are better informed, particularly about NI/the GFA. If they do, fine and dandy. If they don't, they can change their vote. This is the biggest thing our country has faced since WW2. If we have to have more than one vote on it (as parliament does) then that can only be a good thing.
Re your other points, you have a funny (IMO) view of democracy if you think the country should act on a vote where the Leave campaign group broke electoral law. But each to their own.

Op you will find that everyone on both sides will vote exactly the same. Which is why a second ref is utterly futile

so there are people here who said they wouldnt, i know plenty of people in rl who say they wouldnt and the opinion polls say they wouldnt.

so why are you saying everyone would vote exactly the same?

If referendums are advisory why do we need a second vote?
If referendums are advisory, why do we need to leave the EU ?

Neither did I say anything about 'proper/correct' critical thinking leading in any particular direction

In terms of having/not having a second referendum?

Dear @Surferjet
OK, so us nasty Remoaners are going to stop you getting your lovely cuddly Brexit
what were the things you were most looking forward to
that we have deprived you of ?

A recent poll

Most politicians don't listen to ordinary people 81%
-Gvt handling Brexit badly 76%
-Mainstream parties don't offer appealing choice 69%
-Don't care how just want Brexit sorted 55%
-Parliament emerging from Brexit in good light 6%

Littlespaces

Stereotyping just a bit.

No irony in that at all.

twofingerstoEverything
If referendums are advisory, why do we need to leave the EU hmm?

Cos the government ratified the result and decided to act on it. It really isn't that hard to understand.

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The one leaver I know is ironically looking at redundancy due to brexit...

I am remain. And still remain.

I won't be smug and jubilant if Brexit gets stopped. I'll be relieved but still absolutely gutted that we ever got to this point in the first place. The heads of Cameron, Johnson, gove and co absolutely deserve to roll.

I don't actually know many leavers in real life, but the ones I do know will I'm sure be worse off after Brexit (jobs in industries which export goods to the eu.)
I also live in a region which will be totally screwed without Eu funding, a fact to which many locals seem entirely and blissfully oblivious. Dp and I are planning to relocate.

My area takes EU funding too.

I agree with the poster that said everyone loses. Nobody can be jubilant. What a shit storm.