AIBU to ask if you changed your opinion about Brexit

[Flyingfish2019]

We had a lot of Brexit threads but I think not about this topic. As somebody who does not live in Britain I wonder if you changed your opinion about Brexit now that you heard that a hard Brexit is most likely. Would you vote different if there was a second vote?

The ‘no brexit’ economic dividend would be huge.

TonightJosephine

I’d be happy with TM’s WA because it’s a start. But we’re not getting that, it will be voted down. So who knows what will happen after tomorrow.
Extending A50? what’s the point?
Peoples vote?
That will take months to arrange & what will we actually be voting for?
It’s just months of more uncertainty.
It will a year until we reach the ‘we’re not leaving’ stage.

I find these people threatening to join the far right (as opposed to merely predicting a surge in the far right by some other, unidentified people) quite bewildering.

Without wishing to invoke Godwin's law, yes on the one hand you can see how demonising people and ignoring their concerns led to the rise of the Nazis. (Although, so did a severe decline in living standards and hyperinflation, which are likely consequences of Brexit.)

But when you have got people threatening to join the far right if they don't get their way over Brexit, I wonder how they think they are coming across when they cast themselves in an equivalent role to the people who supported the Nazis.

Surfer, if JRM and John Redwood and pals voted for the deal it would go through. If Brexit doesn't happen why don't you blame them?

I will blame them!

So you see the withdrawal agreement as "a start".

Where do you see us ending up?

But when you have got people threatening to join the far right if they don't get their way over Brexit, I wonder how they think they are coming across when they cast themselves in an equivalent role to the people who supported the Nazis

It's not about getting your own way (although there are a lot of people on the other side of the fence trying to do exactly that!) it's about adhering to what was promised which is to honour the result of the vote. If you want to bandy about the Nazi bollocks then it says more about you and lack of understanding about where we are than it does about me.

My life will not change one iota whether we leave or not, this isn’t about me.
I’m just pissed off that we - the people - are being screwed over.
And be careful with your celebrations, because one day it could be your vote that’s totally ignored.
But I doubt many remainers care. As long as the ignorant plebs are put back in their place.

You think we live in a fascist dictatorship. Are we ignorant plebs if we disagree with this?

Perhaps leavers should organise a huge march in favour of leaving the EU to support Theresa, with all the favourite brexiteers at the head of it - Farage, Robinson, Banks, Mogg, Johnson, the weird one played by Benedict Cumberbatch whose now gone to ground - with rousing speeches at the end in parliament square. Maybe 30,000 - 50,000 people will turn out to support. Oh wait.

Lots and lots of things were promised, most of which are not being delivered.

Why is it more important to respect the result of the vote than to deliver any of the benefits that were promised before it? I believe most people voted leave because they believed it would improve their lives in some way. Why is it more important to leave the EU than to improve people's lives?

As for the "Nazi bollocks", I'm not the one threatening to join the far right here. The Nazis were not some different (and evil) kind of far right that is somehow fundamentally separate from the far right you're threatening to join. They're all the same. They exploit desperate people's weaknesses to get them to vote in an evil regime. That's how it works.

surfer who are you calling ignorant plebs? Brexit was won by conservative supporting, middle income, home owning Conservative voters.

To quote Danny Dorling, nobody with a basic grasp of numeracy can ever blame the North, or the poor, or the working class for what is about to befall us.

Conservative supporting voters in the south of England won brexit.

I’m not getting what I was promised.
Boo hoo. That's because the promises were undeliverable.

I’ll be looking into suing the government, and I hope every single leave voter does the same.

My life will not change one iota whether we leave or not, this isn’t about me.

Then what is it about? What is the point?

I’m just pissed off that we - the people - are being screwed over.

So people in Sunderland who voted leave are being screwed over if we don't leave but not if we do and they lose their jobs at Nissan as a direct result? (Despite the leave campaigners saying that would never happen.) And a cancer patient who voted leave will be screwed over if we don't leave, but not if we do and their treatment is cancelled because the NHS can't get the radioactive isotopes due to Brexit? (Which the Brexiters say is Project Fear.)

And be careful with your celebrations, because one day it could be your vote that’s totally ignored.

My vote has always been ignored! The only time my vote has ever not been ignored is when I voted in the European Parliament elections!

But I doubt many remainers care. As long as the ignorant plebs are put back in their place.

Remainers want some reassurance that this is going to be OK, that there won't be job losses or a massive hit to the economy, that supply chains won't be disrupted and that the NHS won't be endangered. At this point we would settle for some reassurance that the damage will be limited. We've given up looking for potential benefits.

But you can't even give us that.

I’d be happy with TM’s WA because it’s a start

surferjet I take it from this comment that you are in favour of full regulatory divergence from the EU so that the UK sets its own standards in everything. Fine, but standards and norms are just ways to make trade easier so that products from here are compatible with those of countries you trade with. They're not a gratuitous constraint.
Deregulation could also mean less rights for workers and a race to the bottom. If you care about the 'plebs' (your word) you can't possibly want that.

My life will not change one iota whether we leave or not,
Then what was the point of voting Leave? Why would you vote for the most expensive, divisive way of not changing anything?

< sigh > because it will change the lives of other people & future generations.

because it will change the lives of other people & future generations

Even JRM says we won’t see any positive benefits for 50 years. Is that what you voted for?

So did Thatcher. I didn't like her and I have no qualms about saying so. Just because it's "change" doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

because it will change the lives of other people & future generations

Wow! surfer speaks the truth here

Songsofexperience
Our dealings with Europe were fine before the Maastricht Treaty.
But no one can complain or say we don’t want this, because all that happens is you’re made to vote again, & if you know anything about the history of the EU you’ll know that’s true.

who are you calling ignorant plebs? Brexit was won by conservative supporting, middle income, home owning Conservative voters.

This is true in my family.

The younger family members who have no assets whatsoever want to Remain. The pleb argument is nuts.

Wow! surfer speaks the truth here

Except surfer has repeatedly said she voted leave because of immigration.

Just wondering about this fascist dictatorship that surfer says we live in, and how her vision of the future would be a decisive step away from fascism... would this glorious new Brexit Britain vision include measures like shutting down TV broadcasters for not parroting political lies, banning speech that is considered unflattering to the alleged majority population, and so forth?

I mean, I could have sworn that over the months I've seen fervent posts in favour of such measures for new Brexit Britain, and I can't for the life of me remember who might have suggested such things, but surely that can't be, because Brexit Britain is supposed to be about escaping fascism...