AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

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Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

Do viruses exist? cellular particulates/debris yes... which are named ‘viruses’ by conventional immunologists. I don’t believe they are pathogenic. Lanka also thinks this

Yes I believe they are created by our own bodies.

No I don’t think they harm us.. I believe they have a purpose

Everyone has trillions of these cellular debris/components in their body regardless of how healthy you are because they are produced by your body

Immunosupression with a causal factor ( not HIV ) yes

you ingest toxins, breath them in etc etc etc, smoke them, eat them
But yes you can produce toxins whilst breaking down other chemicals

There is a very famous bacteria parasite called wolbachia, have a Google of that Cath and tell me how that fits in your disease theory, how that kills males and alters reproduction as it can only transfer through a female line. I would also Google how men are more susceptible to viruses and particularly dying from them as they are less 'useful' to viruses as they like to pass through a female line, particularly through breast feeding etc, how does that fit with your view?

As an evolutionary geneticist I work with lots of different biological systems, one of them includes a microscopic invertebrate that's diet consists of eating viruses. How does that work of viruses aren't real?

Well the way you describe it makes me think what you think of as toxins we think of as viruses, then what you think of as viruses is actually what our immune system does in mounting an attack against the toxin.

Re HIV and immunosuppression, you still don’t really answer that one. What was the causal factor and did they all share the same one? How about all those who died after being diagnosed with HIV who lived a really healthy lifestyle? How did they become immunosuppressed and then die.

I said viruses were actually cellular particulates/debris ... how does that make them ‘not real’ ..

wolbachia Is a parasite .. I’ve never said parasites don’t exist or cause harm

Well the way you describe it makes me think what you think of as toxins we think of as viruses, then what you think of as viruses is actually what our immune system does in mounting an attack against the toxin no I mean toxins as in poisons, petsicide residue, toxins from decaying fecal matter, suphur dioxide etc

Re HIV and immunosuppression, you still don’t really answer that one. What was the causal factor and did they all share the same one? How about all those who died after being diagnosed with HIV who lived a really healthy lifestyle? How did they become immunosuppressed and then die. I have answered that
Many factors cause immunosupression
Drug use ..particularly intravenous drug use
Poppers
Malnutrition
Repeated blood transfusions and blood products
Overuse of antibiotics

Start combining any of the above and you will cause yourself severe issues.

As for those who died but had a healthy lifestyle... I’d put that down to the diagnosis and the use of AZT and antivirals . You tell someone they’re going to die and prescribe them poison.. bingo

And if you’re going to say ...but what about the people who died who didn’t take AZT and had healthy lifestyles..
I’d say there was almost certainly a cofactor that they were doing that would cause the immunosupression.. regardless of the supposed ‘healthy lifestyle’

It's a bacteria Cath, that acts parasitic. You've stated before you don't think bacteria is harmful? Here is one that is. You also missed the animal that eats viruses, how does that work if they don't exist?

Poppers

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This AIDS denial is in reality a very unpleasant and very foolish moral judgment. It’s even more worthless than Cath’s usual laughable attempts at pseudoscience.

No I’ve said the state of the organism depends on whether the bacteria acts in what is considered a harmful way or not... you usually get an overgrowth of bacteria in diseased tissue for instance. ..they clean up ... so although they’re associated with the infection they’re not the cause, if that makes sense.
If you cut yourself and bacteria get into the wound and normal skin bacteria end up in the blood... then that could cause a serious issue.. but that was through injury rather than catching them from someone.. E. coli are essential in the ileum but harmful elsewhere

I said viruses are actually cellular components for the umpteenth time... packets of DNA .. so this creature you’re taking about will be eating that I presume...

This AIDS denial is in reality a very unpleasant and very foolish moral judgment
Hardly... but the fact is, if you use poppers every night for years on end, it will hurt you. That’s a fact.. I suggest you look it up.
It’s not being gay, it’s drug use

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11366577

Using poppers will not bring on AIDS. I’ve never heard anything so stupid.

Yes, I did say, more than once how did HIVpos people die who were not on medication at the time.

So you believe all these people died due to having a bad lifestyle? And the people who died who did actually have a healthy lifestyle must have been doing something wrong to make them ill and then die. This is where your argument is flawed as you are having to guess here.

Even today in this country, people with a really healthy lifestyle who start going downhill health wise for no apparent reason, and when eventually they receive an HIV diagnosis as the cause, they still die as for whatever reason (scared/stigmaetc) they won’t take the meds. So you are guessing that they become Immunosuppressed because they must have been taking drugs, have malnutrition etc?

Thing is you are guessing now as you don’t know for sure and this is what you want to believe. You prefer to believe that HIV is a harmless virus and does not impact our immune systems at all.

Aids = immune deficiency syndrome .
Poppers cause immune deficiency and are usually used in conjunction with other immunosuppressive factors
What about that do you not understand

The fact is HIV/AIDS in developed countries has not really spread outside the original risk groups .. those risk groups including intravenous drug users etc etc etc

I don’t know or have heard of anyone dying where there werent co factors that could have also caused the immune suppression

Actually I do agree that drugs can and do cause HIV, in that a lot of people who, say, indulge in chemsex are so out of it they hardly know what they are doing and can indulge in risky activity - like sex without using condoms and/or shooting up. And due to the nature of these drugs, these parties can go on for days!

Thing is, a lot of people who indulge in this “fast lifestyle” , gay or otherwise can end up with an HIV diagnosis and can get pretty poorly. But oddly enough, so can those who don’t live that lifestyle. However they do share one co-factor....an HIV diagnosis.

HIVpos.. I think we will have to agree to differ. We’ve both looked into this extensively and have each come to a different conclusion x

From the FridayMonday drug advice website:

"Poppers might make the immune system weaker for a short time, so that people are more open to infection, although there’s no definite scientific evidence poppers have a lasting effect on the immune system."

vsu.mhc.wa.gov.au/about-vsu/types-of-volatile-substances/amyl-nitrite/

But try taking them Etwits, every night for a few years...see how you go

But you’re willing to assert that anything suppresses the immune system. If someone with AIDS had lived a life free of drugs, poor diet etc etc, you’d say that their drinking tea suppressed their immune system, or fluoride in the water supply.

This is all so ludicrous it beggars belief.

The fact is HIV/AIDS in developed countries has not really spread

Nothing at all to do with:

• easy access to condoms
• teaching of safe sex in schools
• access to sexual health screening/clinics and safe sex awareness campaigns
• regulated healthcare with robust hygiene practices including single use needles and proper sterilisation techniques
• needle exchange programmes and drug outreach programmes to help drug addicts avoid the need to share needles
• screening of blood products and organs before transfusions and transplants

Etc.

Which is why the developed world can limit the spread of HIV while the undeveloped world struggles to do so.

You really need to look up the definition of cause, Cath.

“The fact is HIV/AIDS in developed countries has not really spread outside the original risk groups .. those risk groups including intravenous drug users etc etc etc”

Really? You should do your homework rather than just guessing. Most of the people I chat to living with HIV wouldn’t fit your risk groups. We’re actually pretty normal people - mums, sisters, grannys etc.

“I don’t know or have heard of anyone dying where there werent co factors that could have also caused the immune suppression”

That is simply because you don’t know enough about it so are just guessing.