AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

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CoolJude

That's because they are dead you don't meet people with serious complications because it kills you hth

And I'm so sad the amount of parents who prefer a dead child to an autistic one

Actually I'm horrified

Pizzawithchicken

I'm actually disgusted with your thought! I nearly lost my child to cancer and it was the most horrendous time of our lives. I honestly don't know what I would have done if she had died.
I would choose autism over any of those horrible diseases any day!!!!!

I really fucking hope your not a mother!!! I can't believe I actually read that you would rather your child die (in a horrendous way) than have autism!

@slipperywhensparticus

Me too

@pizzawithchicken
Having a child diagnosed with autism isn't heartbreaking it's just learning to adapt to the way your child sees the world and helping them along the way.
Allowing your child to die from your stupidity however is heartbreaking

Worse things than your child dying?

YABU. What right do you have to trivialise a severe disability such as Autism?!
Why is it completely acceptable to abort a foetus based on a chance they might have Down’s syndrome but if your concerned about Autism you’re wrong?
OP: No severely Autistic child. No opinion.
Until you can tell me how you’d feel having a non verbal adult, still in nappies, who beats themselves & everyone around them.
Until you can tell me what the heart break of having your child put into residential care.
Until you can tell me what it’s like having a child who has ZERO quality of life.
Until you can tell me how heartbreaking it is watching everyone else’s child develop & become independent.
Until you can tell me the emotional toll, the physical toll, the exhaustion, the embarrassment when everyone stares at you when he has meltdowns in public so bad you just want to cry your eyes out.
No you don’t get to trivialise it.

(& no it’s not just caused by genetics, it’s both genetics and environmental factors that cause Autism as per the NHS website)

YANBU. Vaccination rates in the UK have fallen below the 95% we need for herd immunity. Now is a genuinely dangerous time to be unvaccinated.

no it’s not just caused by genetics, it’s both genetics and environmental factors that cause Autism as per the NHS website

The NHS has repeatedly, and also unequivocally, proven that vaccines don't cause autism.

I understand your points, and also where you're coming from. The majority of anti vaxxers aren't thinking about autistic people (children or adults) affected that severely, they're talking about autism in all its presentations.

Herd immunity is also a very good point. There are people unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons, people who have compromised immune systems for many reasons (chemotherapy, HIV, a host of medical conditions, newborns) and they all have to live with the consequences of one awful lie decades ago.

@pizza in all honesty I’m not an anti-vaxxer. But I am so freaking heartbroken & tired that the same society that treats autistic children like sh*t & make their parents lives a misery, feels they have a right to trivialise it.

What right do you have to trivialise a severe disability such as Autism

The OP isn't trivializing it, she is saying vaccinations don't cause it.

And pizza i find what you have said horrific and extremely offensive both to people with autism and people who have lost a child.

Pizza I've had a child die and I've had one diagnosed with autism. Trust me, when you're child dies, it's a lot worse.

pizzawithchicken can I ask why? (Genuine question, not to attack you for your answer)

What always makes me laugh is the theory that "big pharma" is behind it all to make money from vaccines...

It's more likely "big pharma" is behind the anti-vax movement as if measles etc are fully irradicated, there's no need for the vaccines...!

Oh for GOD's sake! Another one of these bullying threads.

My DC had MMR before anybody starts abusing me. But I am sick to death of the fact that parents' fears aren't addressed, instead they are mocked and silenced and abused and made to feel responsible for measles as though it were the ONLY bad outcome. One of the articles I read earlier to report this new study also mentioned that GPs hear anecdotal evidence of children damaged by this vaccine but those people are being silenced and undermined and mocked. Nobody listens to them, and this is why the take up rate is falling.

Not because of evidence, but because of the disgusting and appalling lack of respect.

Lots of people fear that their child, susceptible to autism already perhaps due to family history, may have autistic genes switched on by this vaccine.

On the one hand we're told that we don't fully understand epigenetics, and what environmental factors switch on and off genes, yet, but we're bombarded with last word on this subject studies confirming that it's not the MMR.

The take up rate for this vaccine won't start to rise until their is more respect shown to the families of babies who have a fear that their baby may get autism. Autism is forever and the chances are that you recover from measles.
Until this position is given a bit of respect take up rates of the vaccine will not rise.

DuchessOfPhysics for the ten millionth time, vaccines don't cause autism.

They don't, and that's just a fact. So the people perpetuating the dangerous and disproven lie that it does are causing harm.

YANBU! It is also not U to remind people that measles can cause sight loss, hearing loss and brain damage (through encephalitis). So if the thought of a child with a disability is so horrifying to you, then measles is probably not the way to go.

@janetforpresident
She certainly has trivialised it in her other posts.
The comparison to a death in itself, has complete disregard for the heartbreak and continuous grief that parents of children with severe disabilities feel. It is indeed trivialising it (& as I said with it being socially acceptable to abort a Down’s syndrome baby doesn’t make any sense)
Please stop comparing the two.