To think perhaps schools should insist on vaccinations.

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Good animal boarding kennels etc will not take animals without their vaccinations up to date.
Should our schools be able to insist on a completed course of childhood vaccinations (up to age appropriate) before giving a space at a school? Obviously children who are unable to be vaccinated would have a medical exemption certificate. I think this would be a good idea, but then I'm wondering if this is a nanny state too far thing. Probably implications for human rights I haven't considered.

@KissingInTheRain Are you also in favour of those people being relieved of their duty to pay taxes? Because taxes pay for 'free' education.

Exactly prequelle. My son developed the first symptoms of whooping cough a few days before his first jabs. Had it been a few days later, it would have been blamed on the jabs.

He had a huge skills regression pretty much overnight at 18 months old and has since been diagnosed with ASD. If that had happened shortly after his jabs rather than 6 months later people would call it a vaccine injury.

one what has money got to do with this? Stop trying to divert and keep your tin foil hat off. I’m a nurse in one of the most deprived areas of England and I can tell you that it’s not the poorer people who are shunning vaccines. It’s the middle class new age woo ‘enlightened’ let’s sit in Starbucks after yoga and read Natural News types

"Vaccines carry risks, potentially life-threatening risks" .

To those of you who seem so sure you know that statement to be false:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/11/top-cancer-scientist-prof-martin-gore-dies-after-rare-reaction-to-yellow-fever-vaccination

sink I think a lot of people forget that certain conditions can begin to present at certain ages and this may just happen to correlate with vaccine schedules. But for some people correlation equals causation

I wouldn’t wish whooping cough on my worst enemy, just the sound is bloody horrific.

@JassyRadlett Speaking of immature and puerile, have you seen the toxic bile spewed by anti choicers in this debate?

Taxes allow people the right to access tax payer funded services. That was the whole point of taxes. Or did everyone forget that?

The government having the power to forcibly inject someone against their will is 1000000x mor dangerous than any disease

@Onehandinmypocket yeah. They could keep their 20p...

@KissingInTheRain Are you also in favour of those people being relieved of their duty to pay taxes? Because taxes pay for 'free' education.

Daft argument. People who don’t have children don’t get a tax refund because they don’t use the education system. People who are healthy don’t get a refund for not using the NHS. It’s not a pick-and-mix exercise.

Parents who don’t want to vaccinate are perfectly happy for their choices to have a devastating impact on other people. They are happy for others to live with the conequences of their individual choices. In that context, of there being a cost to society from that choice, the idea that there may also be a cost from society for that choice is hardly radical.

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monsann it literally says it in the article, very rare reaction. No one has said vaccines don’t have any risks. We have said they’re very rare, which they are, which that article clearly states.

People can die from paracetamol. Everything has a risk. Some people have nearly died from having penicillin but you don’t see people claiming to be ‘anti-antibiotic’ do you,

@Prequelle You mean the ones who have a legitimate choice to refuse because they can AFFORD it. Think.

takethe oh my god, no one is saying Theresa May should be allowed to come at you with a syringe. We are saying that you don’t have to be vaccinated, but for the well-being and health of other people you should be limited in what you can do so the risk you pose is minimised. Feel free to risk yourself, don’t risk me and my kid or my patients thanks.

I hope the uk adopts the mandatory vaccines like other countries. I also hope that like Germany it outlaws homeschooling.

Okay well how about I opt out of paying my taxes but continue to expect free education for my kids and everything else taxes cover?

I believe that other countries who make vaccinations a condition of receiving education are doing it right. That’s not the same as forcing people to vaccinate.

I’ve seen people calling for segregation of unvaccinated children in separate schools, but to me that doesn’t go far enough since those children will still have newborn siblings, immune-compromised relatives etc.

There are paediatricians in America who refuse patients who are unvaccinated, so that parents bringing in their babies and immune-compromised children aren’t exposing them to these illnesses.

I believe we need to do more to protect the vulnerable people in our society. Anti vaxxers are inherently selfish and know the likelihood is that their child will benefit from others being vaccinated. If you put them into schools where all other kids are unvaccinated they may soon have a change of heart.

@JassyRadlett Speaking of immature and puerile, have you seen the toxic bile spewed by anti choicers in this debate?

I didn’t use the word ‘peurile’ so I’m unclear why you’re attributing it to me. Equally, what other posters have written has no bearing on my arguments.

Taxes allow people the right to access tax payer funded services. That was the whole point of taxes. Or did everyone forget that?

Again, no. The state determines the limits under which taxpayers (and non-taxpayers) access its services. Many people pay no tax, but (rightly) have greater access to services and benefits than those who pay tax. Equally, there are many who pay tax (particularly immigrants) who face greatly restricted access to taxpayer-funded services.

@Prequelle Who to is forcing people to take paracetamol or antibiotics though? Anyone? No? Didn't think so...

oh my god, no one is saying Theresa May should be allowed to come at you with a syringe.
This is the best thing I have read in a while 😂😂😂

onehand you do realise theres nothing financial attaTched to vaccination in England right? So your point is completely irrelevant. Those poorer people are still vaccinating their children, they get nothing financial in return and get nothing taken away if they don’t. They’re intelligent enough to do it for the sake of their kids

onehand who’s forcing you to have vaccines? No one. You just shouldn’t reap the full benefits the society has to offer if you’re not willing to engage in society.

If you prefer the benefits that are offered more than your ‘bodily autonomy’ that’s on you

Are you also in favour of those people being relieved of their duty to pay taxes? Because taxes pay for 'free' education.

Of course not. You’re making my point for me. We all have to pay taxes for things we may not or can’t ever use, or consciously exclude ourselves from, but we accept that we do so for the public good, just as we accept restrictions and obligations for the public good.

@Prequelle I am taking issue with people saying that vaccines carry no risk. They do carry a risk, they consist of an artificial assault on an immune system. And people claiming there is no such thing as vaccine injury is totally ridiculous. It is like saying no one can ever be allergic to anything. It may be rare but it occurs. Just look up the cases in the US vaccine court (VAERS).

People can die from paracetamol. Everything has a risk. Some people have nearly died from having penicillin but you don’t see people claiming to be ‘anti-antibiotic’ do you,

Exactly this. There was a very thick state congressman in the US who recently said that measles wasn’t a problem because now we have antibiotics and other stuff.

Once you get past the virus/antibiotics facepalm, this is still such a staggeringly stupid argument, given the much higher rates of dangerous reaction and anaphylaxis from antibiotics than from vaccinations (even after you strip out the mild reactions).

^Who to is forcing people to take paracetamol or antibiotics though? Anyone? No? Didn't think so...*

At my children’s nursery and schools, there are certain conditions for which you are excluded until there is evidence of treatment, usually with antibiotics, or a doctor’s note saying no treatment was necessary.

Anyone thinking the governments haven't seen this as a great way to save some money are simply naive. I wonder if most of you are also anti welfare. Would make sense.

The majority of people pay taxes and if you have gst in your country, then everyone does. Education is important for ensuring future generations can competently enter the workforce and contribute to society and the economy, so despite having no children, your taxes would be used to educate your neighbours children who may end up being your lawyer/doctor/plumber/electrician etc.

Education benefits all of society and doesn't interfere with a persons right to refuse medical intervention (with risk) where it isn't needed.