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To have absolutely no friends

395 replies

twopizzaseverytuesday · 18/02/2019 07:07

I mean, none. It’s downright embarrassing really.

I am single and have no kids. I’ve actually contemplated having a child (I’ve always wanted a family) but partly because it puts me in social settings.

I just don’t know how to sort this!

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Teateaandmoretea · 18/02/2019 07:52

Couch to 5k tawdry 😂😂

C1rrus · 18/02/2019 07:54

The thing is, it’s not a case of go to a book club or volunteer at an event, and suddenly have best friends.

I think of it as concentric circles. In the biggest, widest circle you have all the people who are potential friends.

The next circle in are the people you have some interaction and familiarity with. You smile and say hi, but you don’t know their name, eg the woman who is often in the gym changing rooms at the same time or who does the same cooking class as you.

Circle three people are a bit closer. You probably know each others real names and you past time about the weather, the traffic, Christmas shopping etc.

Circle four, are the people you deliberately choose to spend time with. Crucially, you have both deliberately made the decision to spend time with each other, eg staying for a coffee after the class, run, walk, event etc. You talk about your family, work, hobbies, weekend plans with these people.

Then you have a circle of the people you can make commitments with. You plan to go out to a garden centre or out clubbing. You have moved beyond the context that first brought you together.

The penultimate circle are your intimate friends. You can trust them with your mistakes, shame, deepest hopes etc. You can call them in a crisis.

The final, centre, is you. The bit that must hold together strong without anyone else.

People generally move from the outside, in. Some conditions can speed this up, eg starting uni together or attending a Meet Up group.

As you move from outside, in, the level of intimacy and quality of interaction increases. But so does vulnerability and risk.

My final thought is that people have different expectations of how quick the movement inwards in should be, or even if they will move in at all.

Tixywixy · 18/02/2019 07:58

I'm quite shy OP and a bit socially awkward. But I do have a few friends. They are a mixture of child friends, book club, through a course and through a hobby. There literally isn't an easy way around this. The only way to do it is to put yourself out there and persistently try things. The best way if you're not like yogagirl is through occasions that involve you regularly seeing the same people for years. This happened for me after a year with the hobby and two years with the course! I left it to others to make the first move as my social awkwardness means I misread signals, so sometimes get it wrong. BUT I was always friendly and chatty when people spoke to me and would make sure I walked back with people to the car on the way home or sat next to people at lunch.

I think I read that there is a formula to finding friends: something like, proximity, regularity of meeting, common interests, agreeableness, are all factors which help meeting people. If you struggle with this, finding yourself alone with a baby can be cripplingly lonely. Mother groups can be notoriously unwelcoming.

Once you have one or two friends it's sooooo much easier to meet more. Being busy means you have more to talk about, so go to films/theatre/activities/singles holidays on your own, it will genuinely make you more interesting.

You will feel like you're constantly putting yourself on the line by going outside your comfort zone: trying new things, going places on your own, accepting random invitations when you don't know if you'll enjoy yourself. You may feel discouraged at times. You may even feel lonelier at times, I still do. When I do, MN relationships board can be your friend! But it's really worth it.

Oh and another good thing is to see a relational counsellor to see if there are things that explain why you find it difficult to bond with others.

Write down twenty reasons why you should do these things.
Write down five things you will do this week.
Write down ten qualities you will need to succeed, e.g. persistence, courage etc.
Write down seven excuses why you can't do any of these things and then write a counter argument for each of them.

Good luck OP it can open up your life.

Drogosnextwife · 18/02/2019 08:00

A book club, a cycling club. Contact some of your old friends if it's easier than making new ones?

Tixywixy · 18/02/2019 08:01

Oh and crossposted with C1rrus. Brilliant advice and explanation.

QuaterMiss · 18/02/2019 08:01

I'm going to suggest you look at it from a different angle.

It sounds as if you need a new life. And, apart from the child issue, the thing that stands out is that your work is (at least socially) unsatisfactory. And yet not absorbing enough to preclude loneliness.

Have you thought of going back to studying to widen your employment options? Maybe only part time perhaps. But you do need a new thing to occupy you - and training towards a better (?) career would do that. And new friendships would be pretty much inevitable at the same time.

Ferfeckssake · 18/02/2019 08:04

I do understand the OP. It is hard to make friends as adults. I do have some friends from school , but their family commitments always come first ( as they should). And we are at different stages in our life.
It is especially hard if you are a bit of an introvert or shy about making the first move.Group activities are hard to penetrate for people like that. And I can get along great at an event , but it never goes further.
But I know it has to be done .
Nobody is going to come looking for you OP, so you do have to put yourself put there.And I do understand how hard it might be.Flowers.I haven't been brave enough yet!

twopizzaseverytuesday · 18/02/2019 08:05

Cirrus but I know that. I’m not talking about turning up to something twice and then bemoaning the fact I have no friends. I mean, people turn up to stuff for all sorts of reasons. But personally I haven’t found anyone there to make friends.

I probably do need a new life but I don’t know where to start. I wish I could live my life over again Sad

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tipOver · 18/02/2019 08:07

Are you at all inclined towards exercise? The gym might be a place to start, you often get people talking to you even as a newbie. It's also somewhere you can choose when you get to go, so you can do it around your work hours.

Teateaandmoretea · 18/02/2019 08:07

The only thing though about workplaces where you have to 'watch your back' is that once you have been there a while it can be a bonding experience as you discover who you CAN trust. I think my friendships with a couple of my workmates are closer than they would be otherwise.......

twopizzaseverytuesday · 18/02/2019 08:09

I’ve been a member of a gym for a while. I don’t find people talk though.

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Ferfeckssake · 18/02/2019 08:09

Oh , wow , crossposted with so many that put it so much better than me, especially tixywixy
Think I will take on board all of this as well.

Tixywixy · 18/02/2019 08:09

OP you sound a bit depressed. Please consider seeing a counsellor. It is a way to start a new life and become a new you.

bethy15 · 18/02/2019 08:09

I'm very much in the same boat.

I had a group of friends, but it turns out they were quite surface friends, when I got ill and couldn't attend certain things they were nowhere to be seen,which left me friendless.

Due to ill health I wasn't able to work, so no chance of friendships there.

I joined one club and had made some friends, however I was verbally abused by someone there and not one person said anything to help or defend me and left me there being attacked. I had done a lot for them like made them children's toys free of charge (due to the crafting I do).

I live in a smaller town and there is absolutely no groups for someone like me. There are a lot for women with babies, but none I can see.
No meetups and I have even looked at charities like mind and others to do with my disorders, but there's nothing.

I think it's extremely hard to make friendships as an adult. I am comfortable in my own company, but sometimes it does get to me.

Magmatic80 · 18/02/2019 08:10

Walking into a WI was terrifying, but I loved it. I joined the commitee quite quickly which helped me get closer to a smaller group within the main group! When I moved away I didn’t hesitate to join my new local group. Best thing I ever did. I’m not the youngest by any means (late 30s), and there’s so many splinter groups within it it was easy to find people with similiar interests and therefore make friends.

You do need to do your research to find a WI right for you though. You could find yourself amongst a mindset not to your taste, as some groups cater more for different interests than you might be looking for.

labazsisgoingmad · 18/02/2019 08:11

apart from my partner and daughters i have no one either

twopizzaseverytuesday · 18/02/2019 08:13

Counselling isn’t for me, but thanks Smile

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bluetheskyis · 18/02/2019 08:13

Hi, you don’t seem to be taking much of this on board, and if you’re responding to positive suggestions with a negative response or excuses as to why you can’t/ won’t whatever is suggested then perhaps you’re a bit depressed. My dad’s sounds a bit like you, bored and a bit lonely but every suggestion for him to get out and meet other people Is met with an excuse. He’s deffo depressed. You sound overwhelmed and EVERYtHING seems awful - so take it a step at a time. Sit and have a drink post park run - you’ll find someone to chat to. And I would look at your job - if it’s that kind of place then do you really want to be there? You’re single, no kids and therefore more mobile than most.. we spend so much of our time at work that it can be soul destroying to be unhappy at work.

twopizzaseverytuesday · 18/02/2019 08:15

But it isn’t an excuse. It’s just a fact that there is nothing for me. All the groups aimed at friendship and meeting people are for retired people or parents. And obviously on during the day, when I am at work.

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PalmTree101 · 18/02/2019 08:20

The thing is, it’s not a case of go to a book club or volunteer at an event, and suddenly have best friends.

Of course it isn't instant. But you need to actually meet some new people and get on 'friendly acquaintance' terms before you can be friends.

Tixywixy · 18/02/2019 08:20

Out if interest OP, why is counselling not for you? Smile

SnuggyBuggy · 18/02/2019 08:20

The other thing to consider is that trying and failing to make friends can really take a toll and leave you feeling much worse than before.

In my case before I moved somewhere better, after I'd tried everything to start a social life I focused on hobbies I could do alone and forcing myself to go alone to places like the cinema or an art exhibition. I wish I'd just done this from the start as it was much better for me.

twopizzaseverytuesday · 18/02/2019 08:21

I know palm - that’s what I’m saying! But if people don’t want to be friends - not that they want to be enemies but they are attending whatever it is for a different reason to you - you can’t force them.

I’ve tried counselling in the past.

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CielBleuEtNuages · 18/02/2019 08:21

I understand, it's hard. It does sometimes feel like (other) adults already have all the friends they need, so aren't looking for anymore. I really felt that when I moved abroad. Superficially nice to have a chat to, never went any further.

Don't hang your hopes on meeting friends when you have a child though. I did, as my mum made her 2 best friends whilst pregnant and they still see each other regularly 40 years later and call all the time.

I made zero friends. Really. I've been at the school gate for half the mornings (DH does the other half) for 6 years now, plus running DC to birthday parties etc. and at most, there are a few mums that I smile at and chat to. But never more than that.

I joined a martial arts class to make friends. I met DH but that is all (but not bad!). Unfortunately he has just as few friends as me so I can't even piggy back his friendship group.

twopizzaseverytuesday · 18/02/2019 08:22

At least you met a DH, that’s a plus Smile

I’d rather have a partner than friends tbh!

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