To agree with Donald tusk there is a place in hell for brexiters

[Tooldemont]

All the ones that aranged for brexit without any clear plan can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. That's why we are in such a mess now!

derxa killing off our farmers business because we can't replace any subsidies (however rightly or wrongly those subsidies were granted) is not going to help us all be fed.

"but we'll be coming out of the CAP and large landowners will not be getting the large subsidies they got before."

Except you'll probably find that they will continue to do so.

I think everyone needs to examine their conscience on this.

derxa killing off our farmers business because we can't replace any subsidies (however rightly or wrongly those subsidies were granted) is not going to help us all be fed. But I am a bloody farmer. I thought you'd be delighted that James Dyson would be missing out
www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/land-markets/dyson-splashes-another-37m-on-farmland

But isn't there a CAP Reform due in 2020, which aims to increase payments to small and medium sized farmers and reduce payments to large ones, encourage biodiversity and put the onus on to EU member countries that subsidies only go to genuine farmers?

https://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/key-policies/common-agricultural-policy/future-cap_en

Well Gove is proposing something similar. The problem in Scotland is actually delayed payments.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/sep/12/gove-hails-plans-to-reward-uk-farmers-for-adopting-green-policies

I find it funny that before Brexit reared its ugly head the majority of people didn't give a monkey's about farming and Northern Ireland.

Speak for yourself

With many NI and Irish friends (some from Uni, some from work) and living in Glasgow (where we still suffer from sectarianism and Orange Walks ) I was fully aware of the GFA and the peace process and how delicate and hard won it was/is.

And as the daughter of a (albeit former) cattle farmer and interested in all the workings of the EU, including those areas that needed reform, like CAP (when I spent my year in France, in a rural area, people talked to me about it then as well), I've also had an awareness of farming.

The fact that I knew that there was an upcoming reform of the CAP demonstrates that.

Though I’m not involved in farming, I live rurally. My father’s family come from Nothern Ireland - Catholics from Armagh. So I am interested in farming and N Ireland. I was baffled by farmers thinking that in the long run leaving would benefit them. I also - many years ago - was involved in the fishing industry and knew that despite serious problems with the CFP, they were fixable and more serious damage had been done to fishing by UK government policies and short termism on the part of some in the industry.
So some of us did know this stuff and factored it into our decision making re the referendum question. I did notice that when I brought up my concerns to others, they were airily dismissed with (in one case) with “Well, we’ll see, won’t we?”.

Derxa I am extremely alarmed by the island of Ireland situation having lived through the Birmingham pub bombings in the 70s, having said that you are right that people don't give Northern Ireland a second thought if they did they wouldn't have voted the way they did, and when the supermarket shelves are devoid of fresh produce they may start to give a shit about farming.