To agree with Donald tusk there is a place in hell for brexiters

[Tooldemont]

All the ones that aranged for brexit without any clear plan can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. That's why we are in such a mess now!

Still nothing... just one thing.....

It actually really fucking shocks me how hypocritical some of the poster on MN.

I know for a fact there are several posters on this thread would become incandescent with rage about Trump’s unprofessional tweets and would be having an apoplectic hissy fit tantrum if Donald Trump or a Tory politician even came close to behaving like EU leadership do in public.

FFS, Juncker is so fucking shitfaces he can’t be seen after midday and had to be bodily held upright by two other world leaders at a NATO summit last year because he was too drunk to stand. And Tusk is just being fucking childish as usual because he enjoys nothing more than a bit of willy waving to underline his authority.

There’s no WAY any of the posters on here would accept a UK government led by a drunk and a bully stay in office. But when it’s the EU you get app happy clappy and want to sit in w circle singing Kumbaya while handing control of our weapons and. armed forces to a drunk and a megalomaniac.

We're not evaluating Tusk's performance or how appropriate his statement was.

I just happen to agree with his statement. As many MNetters, it seems.

Also, most Brexiters shock me a lot more. Particularly those that Tusk referred to.

BejamNostalgia a lot of remainers are well aware of the glaring imperfections in the EU and would probably agree that it needs reform in many areas but we'll never have the chance to implement reforms now because we are being forced into a totally uncontrollable unknown future imposed on leavers and remainers by an incompetent selfish government and opposition (such as they are) who couldn't give a flying fuck about the people who they represent and pay their wages.

There's no doubt that the government has been an utter shambles. But the view that the EU have played their hand well is too simplistic.

The EU did not ask for Brexit and they have no obligation to help the UK. They do have an obligation to achieve the best outcome for EU citizens, and they will have failed if we exit without a deal.

The Leave campaign were a cross party group, who were largely distant from power. How could they have had a coherent plan? The (stupid fucking) referendum reduced a highly complex issue into a Yes\no question.

Yes, the government should have had a semblance of a plan before triggering A50, but how could they have planned properly when the EU refused to engage at even a high level? What would have been the point in delaying A50?

The EU have effectively set the structure and timetable for this whole sorry mess. 2 years was always coming to be ambitious, even without our disfunctional government.

YANBU and I'm glad he's speaking up for remainers, ie half the population of the UK, because no British politicians are, which is disgraceful

Bejam if Donald Trump had said it I would still agree with what was said because it is true

I'm very 'meh' about the Donald Tusk comment and can't get worked up about it (it didn't surprise me).

I was though cringing at the whole Leo/Jean-Claude media spectacle that was the 'card opening'. Being a Eurosceptic I think there is more going on here than meets the eye.

We're often reminded how the EU is a paragon of democratic transparency ... so who voted for this Tusk fella?

Winces slightly at Bartholins user name , everyone but the Polish prime minister voted for Tusk

He is appointed by the European Council, so the heads of the 28 EU governments.

Including Theresa May

so who voted for this Tusk fella?

The European Council. Who is made up of all heads of state or government, who are elected by member states.

It's not a secret. You can easily find it out by googling it.

@eeeeeby - article 50 defines the sequence (agree withdrawal then trade framework) plus the 2 year timescale.

The EU were not 'refusing to engage', throughout the EU has just been following the process - its our shambolic excuse for an executive/government that didn't get its ducks in a row before invoking article 50 and then spent 18 months waffling before engaging.

@rosie39forever he best thing to come out of a hard Brexit will be a United Ireland

Unfortunately Jebus the unionists would never be on board for that back to the bad old days of blowing one another up.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Sinn Fein will call a border poll if there is a no deal situation. I don’t think they would get the result they want this time but it will be very close and will give Republicans something to work towards

Jebus, that is probably what the likes of Sinn Fein are hoping for, but the unionists (DUP etc.) will not wear that one and they are propping Theresa May's government up.

It would also still contravene the Good Friday Agreement, which both Northern Ireland and the Republic held separate referenda on in 1998, and both voted by a wide margin to accept.

I’m fairly sure a hard border will also contravene or at least he at odds with the spirit of the Good Friday agreement but that’s not stopping anyone at the moment . Still no viable solution as to all of us who live near this imaginary line across our island will manage post Brexit no deal

I know, Jebus. I don't live in Northern Ireland, but have family on my Dad's side who still do.

I don't know what the solution is. Or indeed if there is a solution (there probably isn't). The whole Brexit thing is just such a terrible idea, and a complete shambles.

Well done Donald nail well and truly hit on the head there! 👏👏

He is absolutely right. I admire him for saying that. I've felt less and less patriotic since the referendum result. I'm afraid I have seen this country show it's true colours. They are ugly - xenophobic and bigoted

I agree. However, I would change"this country" to "this government". There are 60 million people in the UK and we don't all have the same views as this stupid government, not by a long way.