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To agree with Donald tusk there is a place in hell for brexiters

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Tooldemont · 06/02/2019 18:46

All the ones that aranged for brexit without any clear plan can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. That's why we are in such a mess now!

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Eeeeeby · 07/02/2019 17:36

@Frankiestein402

Clearly, the EU did refuse to engage. They have followed the process once Article 50 was triggered. Where is the process or legislation that dictates that they couldn't have preliminary discussions with a country that was considering/preparing to leave?

Yes, the UK government have wasted time.

Ultimately, I think Tusk was right in what he said, but also hypocritical. He didn't want Brexit, but, once the vote was in, he actively promoted the triggering of A50 without a plan in place. He actually obstructed the formulation of a plan.

BorisBogtrotter · 07/02/2019 17:41

" he actively promoted the triggering of A50 without a plan in place. He actually obstructed the formulation of a plan."

No he didn't.

He encouraged article 50 to be declared because Brexit uncertainty hurts EU countries economies too. The UK could have declared article 50 and put together a coherent strategy far quicker than it did, essentially the Tory party spent 18 months arguing with its self, and the Leave campaigners were allowed to keep selling snake oil through this period.

The mess lies entirely with the Tories, and the leave campaigners who caused this situation.

BorisBogtrotter · 07/02/2019 17:42

"Where is the process or legislation that dictates that they couldn't have preliminary discussions with a country that was considering/preparing to leave?"

Its called article 50.

Motheroffourdragons · 07/02/2019 18:02

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This has been deleted by MNHQ to protect the privacy of the user.

AutumnCrow · 07/02/2019 18:07

In fact Tusk was voted for by Theresa May even after the UK's referendum. (Only the Polish PM opposed.)

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/09/donald-tusk-re-elected-as-european-council-president-despite-polish-opposition

It's not hard to access this information.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 07/02/2019 18:13

Why was the op deleted?

AutumnCrow · 07/02/2019 18:14

Oh Jesus, Theresa May on BBC news, boo-hooing in Brussels over 'widespread dismay in Britain' felt about 'the language [Tusk] used'.

Get real, Theresa. You voted for him; he didn't swear; he was right to call you out on your government's shambles; stop trying to deflect or I'll think you're even more devoid of ideas than I already did.

AutumnCrow · 07/02/2019 18:17

Why has the Opening Post vanished, @MNHQ?!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 07/02/2019 18:20

I'm curious too - which guidelines did it break? who specifically was attacked if it was that?

BiglyBadgers · 07/02/2019 18:42

I'm very surprised they would delete an OP without any sort of comment and just leave the rest of the thread here hanging.

Surely this has to be a mistake.

BiglyBadgers · 07/02/2019 18:42

Hah...just as I post that it returns. Like magic Grin

TaimaandRanyasBestFriend · 07/02/2019 18:44

Oh Jesus, Theresa May on BBC news, boo-hooing in Brussels over 'widespread dismay in Britain' felt about 'the language [Tusk] used'.

And asking what the EU could do for the UK, in terms of leaving. [laugh]

Um, we can tell you to go and fuck yourselves until you sort something out, tootle pip!

TaimaandRanyasBestFriend · 07/02/2019 18:45

Aha, OP! 'Guess who's back? Back again! Shady's back! Tell a friend'.

doubleshotespresso · 07/02/2019 18:46

*A public inquiry would be more unpleasant for them, and certainly more entertaining for us.

But otherwise I am Team Tusk all the way.*

THIS With bells on

FishesaPlenty · 07/02/2019 18:47

Where is the process or legislation that dictates that they couldn't have preliminary discussions with a country that was considering/preparing to leave?

Its called article 50.

Article 50 says "the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union"

That appears to me to require the 'framework for its future relationship with the Union' to be established first and the Withdrawal Agreement to be an agreed transition between the status quo and the established framework.

That's not how the EU have interpreted it though, so I'm obviously wrong.

twofingerstoEverything · 07/02/2019 19:02

And who drafted Article 50? Drumroll... a Brit.
But still, poor, poor ickle us. A big boy was rude to us.

TalkinPeece · 07/02/2019 19:48

Tusk is right.

The architects of Brexit will go down in history in a rather spectacular way.

scaryteacher · 07/02/2019 20:38

The EU is a project for Peace
Brexit threatens that

ROFL. The EU is a federalising project designed to get rid of the nation state and centralise power in the hands of the fonctionnaires with the voters and the politicians being of no value and having no input.

we have been trying to refrom the EU for decades from the inside, and it has not made any discernable difference to theri direction of travel.

For all those demanding what the 'plan' is for brexir - can you tell me what the plan is for remain, given the stuff in the programme of works for the EU, that is coming down the tracks, and that there isn't and never has been, any status quo where the EU is concerned? How far does integration and federalisation have to go before remainers call a halt, or are you happy to be part of the United States of Europe (and please do remember what it took for the USA to get where it did, a war).

TalkinPeece · 07/02/2019 20:45

and please do remember what it took for the USA to get where it did, a war
Europe had two rather large examples of that to start aiming to work together.

The EU is a federalising project designed to get rid of the nation state and centralise power in the hands of the fonctionnaires with the voters and the politicians being of no value and having no input.
What on earth does that mean in clear language?

StepLadders007 · 07/02/2019 20:49

Whilst I accept the faux hysteria on display here - does no one remember the 500 page "Brexit White Paper"??

Or is that conveniently forgotten about so people can run around screaming?

ChampooPapi · 07/02/2019 20:49

Love the man, love the name!

StepLadders007 · 07/02/2019 20:50

Thank god there is people like ScareyTeacher about.

PerverseConverse · 07/02/2019 21:03

Ah the Brexit White Paper. I particularly love this bit from the PM in the introduction:

"Because after all the division and discord, the country is coming together.
The referendum was divisive at times. And those divisions have taken time to heal."

What planet was she on then as this country is more divided than ever and it will take decades for those divisions to heal.

prettybird · 07/02/2019 21:05

Go on then Stepladder - provide us a link to any White Paper that was produced in advance of the Referendum Hmm

The first White Paper was issued in February after the Referendum - and is a whole seventy seven pages long Confused It also, memorably, included in the introduction that the UK had never actually lost its sovereignty, even if it felt like it had Confused

Now, there was a c500 page (470 pages) White Paper produced in advance of a referendum - but that was the Indyref, not the EU Referendum.

Maybe you got confused Wink

rosie39forever · 07/02/2019 21:07

Happy to be part of the United States of Europe if it means;
High food standards
Access to medicine
Peace on the island of Ireland
Jobs and prosperity
Security