To think this is so sad

[Charlie97]

Newborn baby found in a park last night, my heart breaks for both mother and baby.

I know I would not wanted to give birth alone (I presume mum was alone) and without pain relief and medical help.

Baby found abandoned in freezing East Ham park

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47083204

Craft1905, I think it is abundantly clear that the people you are criticising fully accept that they have no idea of the mother's circumstances, which is why they are pointing out that the people who are keen to blame her are, at the very best, extremely premature.

They are however correctly pointing out, correctly, that the scenario of the mother dumping her child so she can go on a cruise is incredibly unlikely. Anyone in that situation has the resources to have a termination, or simply to place the child in care, and is not going to give birth on her own in East London and dump the baby within 30 minutes of the birth. No-one is suggesting that it's 100% impossible, but pointing out that 99% unlikely is perfectly correct.

I'm not going to judge the woman without knowing anything about her or her circumstances. She was a little baby one day too. I doubt she wanted her life to turn out like this! Hope both of them get the help they need.

the scenario of the mother dumping her child so she can go on a cruise is incredibly unlikely. Anyone in that situation has the resources to have a termination, or simply to place the child in care, and is not going to give birth on her own in East London and dump the baby within 30 minutes of the birth. No-one is suggesting that it's 100% impossible,

Which is exactly what I was saying. It's possible. It was also highly unlikely that when Shannon Matthews' mum was pleading for her to come home, that she had in fact conspired with her uncle to drug Shannon and hold her captive.

@Craft1905 but by saying your ridiculous ideas you are minimising what is almost certainly an absolutely horrific set of circumstances for the actual mother. You are saying to people assume she's just an awful person.... no I won't assume that and you won't convince me otherwise with such idiotic ideas of what you think may be the reason.

You keep coming back to try to convince others, I'd give up if I was you.

You are saying to people assume she's just an awful person.

Nope, never said that either. I have know idea either way. It would be nice if you admitted that neither do you .

That’s a great gotcha Craft.

I mean, a completely incomparable situation, but don’t let that stop you.

Are you going to throw Rosemary West? Maxine Carr?

Women - rarely - are involved in horrific violence against children. Often - not always - they are manipulated by men. And that last bit is not my opinion, it’s statistically true.

That has no bearing on my ability to think compassionately about the mother of this baby.

I don’t understand why it bothers you so much that this is my (and others) position.

Good god, no mother in their right mind would have a birth alone and dump their child just because she couldn't be arsed to go to hospital. It would be incredibly dangerous for her and risks attracting more attention to herself if she's discovered than if she just turned up in hospital abandoned her baby and left.

I don’t think anyone of us that are mothers could ever have imagined doing this.
Thankfully I hope none of us where ever in a situation where this crossed our mind.
All I can imagine is that the mum must be scared. But if what? Is she young and her parents? Someone who didn’t know they were pregnant and panicked? Someone who was blaming our being pregnant, pretending it wasn’t happening, then gave birth and panicked? None of us know. But all I can guess is that mum is unwell and needs support. Yes what she done was wrong. But to do that she must be unwell mentally or fearful.

I posted earlier in this thread, and having read its progression I feel totally depressed that there are people who aren't prepared to give this mother the benefit of the doubt.
She could even be reading this now, and if she is already frightened, ill or abused (and yes we don't know if she is or not) then how do you think it will be making her feel in an already fragile state to be villified and called a cruel abuser? If she was prepared to come forwards for help then I daresay she'd be too afraid to now after reading reactions like those shown here.
I can only hope that none of you who are criticising have daughters that could end up as desperate as this woman probably was. "There but for the grace of god" and all that. And it can be easy to say that it is something that you would never do, until you are in the position where it could be something you would do.

The poster pointing out that she has degrees (I do hope they weren't Mickey Mouse subjects) ;) if fortunate in that she has had opportunities that this mother likely hasn't, and she would know where to seek help in a dire situation. Worth remembering that not everybody is as fortunate.