To think this is so sad

[Charlie97]

Newborn baby found in a park last night, my heart breaks for both mother and baby.

I know I would not wanted to give birth alone (I presume mum was alone) and without pain relief and medical help.

Baby found abandoned in freezing East Ham park

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47083204

The mother left it without any regard for its life.

You don’t even know it was the mother!!

Have people switched their brains off for the weekend or something? Do they have such limited life experience they are unable to imagine a scenario outside of their own narrow minds?

@thatsmyspace so you're saying that the woman is a shit person because she lives in a shot area? You're surely not saying that shit people don't live in normal areas??? Dear god that's been proved wrong....

Or did the mother choose the place carefully so that the baby would be safe less than 30 mins after being born? if she had that much forethought and incite to think that the baby would be discovered then she knew what she was doing was wrong.

I do know someone who was abandoned as a baby outside the offices of SS around 50 years ago. Not as a newborn but as a baby. SS tracked down the mother as she was already known to them, the baby was returned to her where he was abused for several more years during which time she had several more children,all of whom were abused. They were only taken into permanent care some years down the track.

I'd say 100% of people have come across a divorce and a woman leaving her husband and kids

I’ve come across divorce. I’ve never known or known of a woman leaving her husband and children. That doesn’t mean I’m unable to appreciate it happens for a number of complex reasons.

The baby was extremely lucky to have been found the only people we get in our local park after dark on cold nights are drug dealers and druggies.

It's a miracle really it was found.

I also thought mum could have been abused or captive or in some awful sex slavery situation etc.

rather than acknowledge that malicious women do abandon babies in the hope that they’ll die?

That wasn’t my understanding of tacos situation but I wasn’t about to be so arrogant as to tell her that her feelings about her mother were wrong. So I chose not to discus it with her.

@Charlie97 That’s nice for you.

I am very glad that I am not a enabler like you. I don’t tolerate cruelty on innocent babies.

I don’t tolerate cruelty on innocent babies

Do you ever stop to think that by giving the baby up, she has ensured her safety and a better, safer life?

A scenario as equally plausible as others.

@Charlie97 I'm not saying that at all. Jesus people do like to take things out of context! I'm saying I don't live in a town that throws away their babies!!!!! Dear god!

then she knew what she was doing was wrong.

You don’t seriously believe that anyone here Is under the impression she thought what she doing was fine!! Really?

@SmileEachDay

Well the baby was found within 30 mins of being born so, err, yes.

Oh that’s alright then! You think it’s acceptable to leave a near naked newborn baby out in the cold for 30 mins? Wow.

And fwiw I don’t necessarily think she should be charged with attempted murder.

But I certainly don’t think that she should be reunited with the baby either, and that future children should probably be removed from her at birth if she were to have any more.

What she’s done is child abuse if nothing else. If the baby had died she almost certainly would have been charged with manslaughter at best.

Any mh intervention should of course also be given, however I think that the baby as a victim is separate from the woman, and even if she has mh issues, the very fact that she has made her baby a victim by dumping it means that any intervention with regards to either of them should happen separately from each other.

Regardless of her mental state, she is still responsible for having abandoned a baby. She is clearly not a fit mother even if legal prosecutions are not appropriate here.

@ILoveMaxiBondi it has to be the mother 🙄 she gave birth in the park remember!

? if she had that much forethought and incite to think that the baby would be discovered then she knew what she was doing was wrong*
Or, she gave birth in the park then waited until she heard someone then ran.

I do know someone who was abandoned as a baby outside the offices of SS around 50 years ago. Not as a newborn but as a baby. SS tracked down the mother as she was already known to them, the baby was returned to her where he was abused for several more years during which time she had several more children,all of whom were abused. They were only taken into permanent care some years down the track
So that baby might have been better being left at birth in a place it would be found within 30 mins of being born.

I don’t really understand your line of argument?

Charlie97 I'm not saying that at all. Jesus people do like to take things out of context! I'm saying I don't live in a town that throws away their babies!!!!! Dear god

Then WTF are you saying!?!? Towns don't throw away babies, situations and desperation's does. As she dust fucking throw it away or it would not be found!!

That wasn’t my understanding of tacos situation but I wasn’t about to be so arrogant as to tell her that her feelings about her mother were wrong. So I chose not to discus it with her.

Well that was what happened as she chose to tell me this throughout my childhood(no, she was not sent to jail unfortunately, and she's dead now) in the sense that she literally told me that she had hoped that I would die. But no, no woman could possibly leave their baby to die on purpose. I'm a bit astounded as to how I've literally provided an example of a woman leaving a baby to die on purpose yet people still insist that a woman would never do this

Oh that’s alright then! You think it’s acceptable to leave a near naked newborn baby out in the cold for 30 mins? Wow

Not even remotely what I said. But you know that.

I do know someone who was abandoned as a baby outside the offices of SS around 50 years ago. Not as a newborn but as a baby. SS tracked down the mother as she was already known to them, the baby was returned to her where he was abused for several more years during which time she had several more children,all of whom were abused. They were only taken into permanent care some years down the* track

And your point is.....?

thats I won’t be responding to you, please don’t @ me.

yet people still insist that a woman would never do this

I don’t think anyone on the thread has said that. What they have said is there is NO way of know whether that applies to this isolated case.

JacquesHammer

Do you ever stop to think that by giving the baby up, she has ensured her safety and a better, safer life?

By leaving her near naked in the snow in a park?

I’m not arguing with you about the fact she abandoned her baby, although that in itself is awful. I am trying to demonstrate that if she had even the slightest care for the child’s wellbeing she’d have left it somewhere, ANYWHERE, safer than on the floor, wrapped in a plastic bag, in minus freezing temperatures late at night. She could have ran to the nearest hous with lights on and rang the bell, leaving it on the doorstep. Then it would have been found and taken in to the warm within seconds. Not 30 mins later found by chance by a dog walker. Note: the dog walker found her after 30 mins, it could have been 45/60 or not at all. Can you really not ascertain the difference?

in the sense that she literally told me that she had hoped that I would die.

This information was not in your previous posts. You said she left you in a shopping centre (very public place!) because she was ashamed of what her family would think of her having a daughter (which suggests some very unhealthy family history)

Can you really not ascertain the difference?

And can you really not ascertain that maybe, just maybe at 30 mins post-partum she wasn’t thinking clearly about the options open to her...?