To think this is so sad

[Charlie97]

Newborn baby found in a park last night, my heart breaks for both mother and baby.

I know I would not wanted to give birth alone (I presume mum was alone) and without pain relief and medical help.

Baby found abandoned in freezing East Ham park

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47083204

Everything longwayoff has said.

I wouldn't be worrying about how you think others are going to look, you've made yourself look pretty stupid by saying this.

Ah, so you have inside knowledge of the circumstances. Please share.

I actually do have experience of this sort of behaviour......

Many many years ago an aunt of mine gave birth to a boy.

The baby was premature and unwell, so actually Aunt was discharged a d baby remained in hospital. Aunt became unwell and started saying the baby wasn't hers, she truly believed that.

Eventually the baby was well enough to be discharged and to go home, he could be part of the family.

On the day that he was going to be collected Aunt walked to the sea (February) walked into the sea and drown herself.......so great was her fear and desperation, so unwell that she was.

That's post natal psychosis for people who believe that people cannot be out of their minds unwell!

Be kind people, no one knows what's going on in others lives or minds.

@Craft1905 no inside knowledge of this particular case (as I've not read the sun) but your comment was ridiculous and under-minding people's situations. You surely realise this with hindsight?

Two or three people have shocked me as mothers on this thread and you're one of them.

@longwayoff that's a brilliant post, well said.

Sone people do so sit in ivory towers looking down on others.

@Craft1905 no inside knowledge of this particular case (as I've not read the sun) but your comment was ridiculous and under-minding people's situations. You surely realise this with hindsight?

Neither you nor I have the foggiest clue about the motivations of this particular girl/woman. If indeed she did it, as it might have been her dad or partner, against her will.

There are many possibilities, and one of those is that she did it because she is completely heartless and selfish. And she didn't want a baby getting in the way of her privileged lifestyle. It may be unlikely, but it is possible. We just don't know!

I actually do have experience of this sort of behaviour......

What sort of behaviour? We don't even know it was the mother who abandoned the child. FFS!!!!

I'm sorry @Craft1905 I think your post was nasty and ridiculous, i am astounded that you are still maintaining it's a possibility.

A mother is openly pregnant (she's arranged a babysitter), she booked a cruise and is let down by this "babysitter" so she self delivers a baby or at the very least with no medical intervention and risks both their lives ..... to go away on a cruise. It's just a ridiculous scenario and one I'm happy to put all the money I have on being total rubbish.

But you carry on believing that scenario ...

I personally think it's a far more complex and sadder situation.

What sort of behaviour? We don't even know it was the mother who abandoned the child. FFS!!!!

Psychosis - which is a viable explanation for this type of behaviour - rather than the mothers gone on a cruise.

Yes, I would treat the mother with compassion Then you’re defending someone that has done something so unbelievably cruel

That's not even a logical chain of thought, Josico. Treating someone with compassion self-evidently doesn't automatically equate to defending them. And you simply don't know enough to know that the was someone that has done something unbelievably cruel. If, for instance, she had a severe mental illness or learning difficulty she would have been unable to form the intention to be cruel.

This baby survived by pure chance of being found! It was not likely that someone would stumble upon it stranded in a children’s playpark after 10pm

And yet the baby was found, very quickly. Perhaps whoever left the child there knew that actually that was quite a busy route even at night time?

The mother left it without any regard for its life

Again, you don't know whether it was the mother who left her, or what steps she took to ensure her child's survival.

Why do you keep referring to this baby as "it"?

it has to be the mother 🙄 she gave birth in the park remember!

How do you know, thatsmyspace? We don't know where she gave birth, and we equally don't know who left the child. Why do you keep ignoring the facts and making things up?

why do you need direct quotes?

Because serious accusations were made that people on this thread were saying that abuse is fine and that what happened to this baby was fine, when we can all see that no-one has said that.

You’re not going to get a direct quote becuase it’s obvious that thatsmyspace was paraphrasing your multiple posts justifying the mother’s behaviour, and excusing it.

No, it isn't in the least obvious, not least because (a) thatsmyspace has demonstrated a track record on this thread of repeated misrepresentations of the facts and (b) no-one with basic comprehension skills could possibly conclude that either Jacques' or anyone else's posts can be paraphrased in that way.

I'm stating facts from the news!

But you aren't, thatsmyspace. I and others have pointed out several occasions when you've seriously misrepresented the facts or made things up or jumped to totally unsustainable conclusions and, very tellingly, you haven't come back to justify yourself or admit you were wrong.

Things we know: The baby is safe and well.

Things we can probably guess: This baby is not a longed for result of a happy and long term relationship.

We know nothing else. Yes the baby may have been left by her mother, but we don't know that. We don't know why the baby was abandoned or the circumstances of birth / conception.

Youknowmedontyou

I suppose you think Elisabeth Fritzl was a horrible woman who just abandoned three children?

@sashh I think my bold fails may have confused you, I'm not saying the mother is anything other than vulnerable. It's @thatsmyspace , @Craft1905 and @Josico58 that are saying the mother no matter what the circumstances is to blamed and is a bad person.

Does anyone remember the lady that walked out of maternity hospital with her newborn and out into the cold night past lots of nurses and other people, and then jumped to her death with the baby?

Yes. It happened locally. It’s a case I had in mind as well as professional experience of CSE, refugee families, SEMH and extremely abusive home situations.

Perhaps that’s why compassion is my response.

I have total and utter compassion for the mother. It wouldn't even occur to me to feel negative or angry towards her. And I'm the first to judge anyone normally lol!
Over time, once the facts come out then people's opinions become more interesting to debate. This thread is mainly speculation with ridiculous comments being made by a whole lot of ignorant idiots.

The baby needs to be taken care of and the mother needs to be put in prison for a long time. I’m no judge but 10 years is about right.

You should never abandon a child when it’s at its most vulnerable,

I think you people need to stop being obtuse and believe the evidence staring at you in the face. Yes it could have been the wolves that raised Mowgli who left the baby in the park, but it wont be. It will have been the mother.

Zippey have you considered for even 30 seconds the circumstances the mother might be in? Or did you go to immediate waving of pitchfork and torch?

you know

Sorry I did mix you up, sorry again

@sashh no problem, but I needed to clear it up. I certainly don't want to be put in the same category as those!

The Tupac song - Brenda’s got a baby, is an example of how these things happen. According to sources it was based on a true story, it’s about a girl who had learning difficulties and was abused. Heartbreaking. If you’ve never heard of it here’s the link -
g.co/kgs/7EAzS8
Google the lyrics.

@sashh I think my bold fails may have confused you, I'm not saying the mother is anything other than vulnerable. It's @thatsmyspace , @Craft1905 and @Josico58 that are saying the mother no matter what the circumstances is to blamed and is a bad person.

Nope, I've never said that. I've said we don't know whether she is to blamed and is a bad person, or whether she is vulnerable and felt she had no choice. Or whether she didn't do it at all.

You have no idea. Neither do I. The only difference is I realise I have no idea, whereas most have made up scenarios where she is vulnerable, to suit their own pre conceived ideas.

Zippey. Perhaps a public burning would satisfy you? Would that be sufficient? You're right. You are no judge for which I'm very thankful as you speak from a position of excessive ignorance.

Zippey, it's never a good idea to accuse other people of being obtuse when your own post shows you up as being far more guilty of obtuseness than they are. Has it even occurred to you that this could be someone with mental illness, a victim of trafficking and rape, someone with a severe learning difficulty, a child? Or indeed that it may not be the mother at all?