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The dictionary definition of woman is a hate crime now. AIBU or is this political correctness gone mad.

335 replies

DJLippy · 28/01/2019 20:40

Feminists across the UK have "defaced" statues by dressing them in T-shirts containing the dictionary definition of the word woman .More details here.
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/mmnblog/a-womans-place-is-in-the-resisters-midnight-t-shirt-protest-sparks-outrage

Trans rights groups are calling this a hate crime. I hate to sound like such an old fogie but this it sounds like political correctness gone mad! How is this offensive? What's so offensive about the word woman I don't understand!

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Onlyjoinedforthisthread · 28/01/2019 20:45

The offence is because of the reason they are doing it, I'm assuming you aren't that dim that you don't understand that.
I think self identifying is a load of crap and will cause massive problems just in case you thought different

DJLippy · 28/01/2019 20:47

Whats offensive about enshrining biological sex in law? That's what the law says right now. Women are defined by sex not gender (i.e. the fact they like to wear lippy)

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BrilliantDarling · 28/01/2019 20:47

We live in such a backwards clown world YANBU

Onlyjoinedforthisthread · 28/01/2019 21:00

But it wasn't done to be pro women it was done to be anti trans, these protesters could have scored a bigger own goal.

Self defining is bullshit, I could say I'm a one legged, deaf, colourblind, hatchbacked orangatan but I wouldn't be I the same way man saying he is a woman or a woman saying she is a man doesn't make them one. However if you want the general public to listen and care you need reasoned debate and not cheap stunts designed to be controversial

Stressedout10 · 28/01/2019 21:02

PC bullshit gone mad

Ladyoftheloch · 28/01/2019 21:04

It’s not the word ‘woman’ that’s the issue though, is it? It’s the act of deliberately protesting against trans inclusivity by weaponising the word ‘woman’. I think you’re either a bit naive or you’re being deliberately goady.

GCAcademic · 28/01/2019 21:08

Including people with penises in the definition of the word “woman” erases the meaning of the word. When females cannot even speak about their sex-based oppression, or seek refuge or intimate care away from people with penises, we are in Gilead territory. That is what your fluffy “inclusivity “ entails.

flashbac · 28/01/2019 21:09

I agree OP. Flipping ridiculous calling this a 'hate crime'. Meanwhile in Newcastle racists have vandalised a school. That's what you call a hate crime. Not the dictionary definition of a word FFS

RepealTheGRA · 28/01/2019 21:11

YANBU

Though I think it’s more misogyny gone mad than PC gone mad.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 28/01/2019 21:11

How do you weaponise a word?

Onlyjoinedforthisthread · 28/01/2019 21:11

Ladyoftheloch
May I suggest you are wasting your breath, I doubt the OP wants to listen to a reasoned argument

GlitterStick · 28/01/2019 21:11

What @onlyjoinedforthisthread and @ladyoftheloch said

rightreckoner · 28/01/2019 21:11

You try to steal my identity and the truth of words - damn right I’ll object. Call that weaponising words if you like - I call it telling the truth.

MeteorShower · 28/01/2019 21:12

"weaponising the word 'woman' "

Ok, what does this actually mean ?

It's a word. It has a meaning. The meaning is "adult female human". There isn't much else to say is there?

Onlyjoinedforthisthread · 28/01/2019 21:14

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer
How do you weaponise a word? I'll give you some examples

Gay
Black
Fat
Queer
Slag

Need I go on?

RepealTheGRA · 28/01/2019 21:14

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sackrifice · 28/01/2019 21:14

The offence is because of the reason they are doing it, I'm assuming you aren't that dim that you don't understand that

Are we now only allowed to quote dictionary definitions of we are quoting them for the 'right reasons' now?

Who decides what the right reasons are?

userblablabla · 28/01/2019 21:15

I agree with PPs. A lot of the people involved in this are constantly deliberately playing dumb. ‘What’s so offensive about the dictionary definition of woman?’ Nothing, obviously. The fact that it’s being used to tell trans people they are not who they believe they are, that is what is offensive. Whether you agree with self ID or not, surely you can understand that genuine trans people will be hurt by things like this?

CallMeSirShotsFired · 28/01/2019 21:17

You watch yourself there Sackrifice or you'll have Humberside Police in the blower, checking you are thinking correctly.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 28/01/2019 21:17

right i getcha

How is the word woman a weapon

I should have been more specific

Or do you mean not using the word woman is a weapon

How is calling someone gay weaponising the word...surely you mean its the way you say it

If someone is gay they are gay...i guess you mean calling someone or something gay as an insult

rightreckoner · 28/01/2019 21:17

Men are not women. Sorry if that hurts but it’s true. Many trans people understand that and are horrified by the peddling of lies in their name.

GlitterStick · 28/01/2019 21:18

If your aim of spreading "adult human female" t-shirts about is to make the point transwomen aren't welcome or will always be a bloke, surely you can't be surprised that it can be a hate crime.
"Ban hate speech! Just not my type though."
Hmm

flashbac · 28/01/2019 21:18

And a 'charity' in my area are encouraging ppl to report to police any sightings of stickers saying 'women don't have penises'.
FFS this is a war against women:
www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/people-urged-tear-down-penis-15049799

CallMeSirShotsFired · 28/01/2019 21:19

Well, adult human males are not adult human females are they.

So no, they aren't women. They're men - what with them being adult human males.

They can't just take a word and unilaterally impose a brand new definition on it because they feel like it.

GCAcademic · 28/01/2019 21:19

Why do the hurt feelings of some people trump the rights of women to organise to retain laws that currently allow for single-sex provisions when we are sick or vulnerable, userblablabla?