The dictionary definition of woman is a hate crime now. AIBU or is this political correctness gone mad.

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Feminists across the UK have "defaced" statues by dressing them in T-shirts containing the dictionary definition of the word woman .More details here.
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/mmnblog/a-womans-place-is-in-the-resisters-midnight-t-shirt-protest-sparks-outrage

Trans rights groups are calling this a hate crime. I hate to sound like such an old fogie but this it sounds like political correctness gone mad! How is this offensive? What's so offensive about the word woman I don't understand!

GlitterStick I share your frustration. Just about different aspects. Any thoughts on that new word to describe what the vast majority of the planet know currently as women?

Has anyone actually read the article?

This protest is about the erosion of both the word woman and women's single sex spaces. The mayor of Liverpool removed ALL single sex changing rooms in Liverpool as a DIRECT response to a few women sticking up some statues yet they are denounced as bullies? That's collective punishment. Women made unsafe because they assert their boundaries. Wake up people. The hate is only going one way. Women have the right to define themsleves and to have male free spaces.

^stickering up some statutes.

Black can be offensive if the intent behind its use and who it is used against is offensive.

I'm not sure that comparison helps your case. In this analogy it would be black people using a definition to exclude minstrels.

I think you are missing the point glitterstick: trying to force women not to define womanhood won't advance Trans rights, even if you succeed in reducing women's rights. But the arguments you make will build resentment, win or lose.

Well a lot of words can be offensive if used in conjunction. I was talking specifically about single words i.e. the word "woman".

Last I'll say as not really relevant to thread...but the organisation that calls itself "Black lives matter" isn't offensive?

I can’t believe that the tiniest segment of the population has rational people thinking that the logical way to appease them is to re-define words which have scientific meaning and have served us well for millennia.

Does all of society have to pander to this tiny group of people?

Oh FFS. This goady bullshit is getting old. We get it, you want to eradicate trans rights. Not gonna happen however much you bitch and whine.

YANBU.

I'm also an adult human female who has given birth to another human female and a human male. These are facts.

' black" offensive?? Do you live in the sticks?

Bluebellsarebells Mon 28-Jan-19 21:21:18
If trans women are women how is the word woman excluding them exactly?

@Bluebellsarebells - I had this exact thought on the bus on the way home tonight and came here to post just that. I can't get my head around the logic behind this.

as though anyone thinks black lives don't matter
Are you denying racism now?
I'm not black, I'm white but I can totally see why there is the need for black lives matter.

I'm not a playground bully looking to hurt or offend anyone but I don't want the thought police dictating what I believe either
Woman = adult human female. Is not a hate crime I

All it needs is a few well paid employees to self-identify as women and hey presto - the "pay gap" disappears.

Or a few more women to identify as men.

All women have got left is publicity stunts like this.

‘Reasoned debate’ is all well and good, but when you’re not invited to the debate? When you don’t even know it’s happening? When you try and arrange your own and are shut down and threatened and literally attacked for trying to have a conversation about something that worries you? What do women do then?

Trans people have all the same rights every other person does. It’s not wrong to say that actually, no, as a woman, I don’t think people born and raised and socialised as men should be allowed unfettered access to absolutely every single thing they please, including the words I use to describe my sexed body, sex-segregated facilities and sports and the right to demand it all right now.

Women are trying to weaponise the word woman? Bollocks to that. Women are trying to reclaim the word woman to mean what it has meant for centuries. For women. They're trying to let other women (and men) know that it's being taken away from us by stealth, because the vast majority of the general public would think that's batshit. This is a message to women and about women. Well done resisters! Some transgender and transsexual people agree with the message, some don't.

If anyone's trying to weaponise the word woman it's the male people who are using it to elbow into women's sports, women's prisons, insist that women wax their private parts etc. That's weaponising i think because it's actually using the identity of woman to deliberately harm women.

The point of the poster and t-shirts is to show the absurdity that women are not allowed to describe themselves any more and to demonstrate the male rage at women doing so.

I am not sure women being enraged at women describing themselves as women was going to be quite so outing.

If you think that this is about 'excluding' trans people, what IS the word that you use to describe yourself that will be be distinct from a member of the opposite sex?

If you are scared of saying out loud that you are a woman, they've done a right number on you haven't they?

And notice all the police listings of hate crime, none seem to list the protected characteristic of 'sex'.

Do you not wonder why?

As others up thread have said.
If you believe whole heartedly in the mantra Trans women are women.
Why is the definition of Woman offensive? How is the dictionary definition offensive?

YANBU. Beyond ridiculous to call setting out a clear boundary and definition of biological woman a ‘hate crime’.

It also if accepted then leads to women and girls saying no to other things being hateful/hate crimes too eg. Saying no to intact males in Changing areas, sleeping areas etc. Or even being able to know if this might happen and ask for a single sex alternative.

Making women setting boundaries or even using language necessary to even name those boundaries against Male bodied people a ‘hate crime’ or in any way seen as ‘bad’ is all kinds of wrong.

Completely agree with you, OP. If a word (woman) doesn't apply to a specific individual (transwoman) then there's no reason why that word should be redefined to include that person.