AIBU to request a positive thread on Brexit?

[mobyduck]

Everyone here (nearly) says it will be bad.
Let's hear some positives about our coming freedom from the EU!

I didn’t say you are unkind and intolerant. Your words were, though.

Yes, I agree it’s everyone’s duty to vote, but it’s also everyone’s right not to, and everyone has the right to voice an opinion regardless. We’re never going to win an argument by resorting to name-calling. It just plays into the hands of those who call remainers ‘remoaners’.

@Yogurty - I'm sorry I just don't agree with you. Everyone should vote, but if you chose not to then your voice is lost. That's how it works, and I'm staggered that anyone thinks differently. This flippant attitude when we're faced with massive insecurity & the potential of more lost generations & for what, makes me quite intolerant.

And I don't care who calls me a 'remoaner'. Nicola Sturgeon hasn't given up on Scottish independence because she believes in it. It's tragic for all of us but especially for Scotland, for Northern Ireland & for Gibraltar who want to Remain.

Dominic Cummings delivered 3 million new voters - is people who had never voted before - to Vote Leave. Delivered via Facebook and Cambridge Analytica, by perpetrating a propaganda campaign never before seen, funded by Banks and who knows who else. If you want to consider that a democratic vote, go ahead. I'll reserve my contempt for those that deserve it.

@longwayoff - I'm aware of that. It makes it even more important to vote don't you think - or shall we just roll over?

Moby has already stated her reasons for not voting. It is therefore both pointless and unfair to over egg the pudding by insulting her for not living up to the democratic ideal. Everyone on this thread is already aware of the need to vote whether they did so or not in the referendum and it's unnecessary to relieve one's understandably aggrieved feelings by insulting other people. Not only do we need to vote but we need to oppose the division in our previously united country which is being encouraged by current politicians for their own gain. So no. Let's not roll over.

We agree on something at least

We probably agree on more than you think. The future looks increasingly grim and we are all scared. If we aren't scared we should be. We have to look for reasons for unity otherwise we will all be truly effed. Even our politicians are scared by what they fear they've unleashed. It's going to need a lot more than Mrs May to sort this out.

Absolutely, let’s not roll over.

I’m noticing a slight lack of Brexit positives on this thread. Very odd. Anyone would think there weren’t any.

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I am sure this has been share elsewhere on MN but thought it appropriate for this thread.

Thanks zebra, cheered me up immensely.

And well said, Donald Tusk, who has just spoken a Brexit truth for which he will be excoriated.'theres a special place in hell for the liars with NO exit plan', paraphrase.

the brexiteers are going nuts about it.

Time to shout "you can't handle t he truth!" . We must take our pleasures where we can

Prepare for Big Mac in Maccies being £6 instead of £3 and carers £30 per hour etc. Rising wages mean rising prices and I absolutely agree with PP who said that the wages are low because consumers want the best quality but want it for peanuts.

The problem is at the moment low prices are subsidised heavily via the benefits system, so low paid workers are topped up with tax credits and housing benefit. This money comes from other taxpayers. Low prices are an illusion. Either the subsidy comes from an ever increasing welfare bill (which largely falls on the middle and lower classes - the rich and multinationals pay virtually nothing) or employers have to pay their employees more, reduce their profits (oh nos!), the welfare bill goes down as employees don't need such benefits top ups. This is why big business is howling at the prospect of wages going up - because they might have to pay their employees more which means less profits to squirrel away.

A lot of people have been hoodwinked into thinking the increasing cost of the welfare state is just a natural and organic thing that happens. What has really happened is that over the past 30 years, deregulation and globalisation have meant a race to the bottom whereby the rich can get richer, prices go up (so that private profits increase), donate to political parties who will send out the message via a compliant media to the population that they have to work longer hours, pay far more in rent/housing costs, have worse conditions and can only survive with benefit subsidies so that big business can suck in even more profits and power. The little people are being conned big time, open your eyes!

Tusk - my hero!

My daughter was in tears this morning. I asked why. Because of Brexit.

She's 9, they hear about it at school. One of her best friends has left and her parents (Polish - she was a nurse, we don't need their kind in the country now do we sarcasm ) have decided to try for New Zealand or somewhere that actually wants hard working professional citizens.

Because we're not short of healthcare professionals. That's good new huh?

My grandson, then ten, was in tears on Brexit morning. Why? Tomasz will have to go back to Poland. "Oh no, dont cry, dont worry, we're not Nazi Germany". I reassured him. Tomasz and family now gone. I don't have an acceptable explanation for him.

Hell. Handbasket.

@longwayoff I'm sorry for your grandson and his friend and family. I'm ashamed of what this country is doing.

longwayoff DD1 was in tears then too (as well as this morning). We went into assembly that morning and NO ONE was sitting next to the Polish couple. And they up and left just after Xmas and I can't blame them one bit. I really hope they settle somewhere lovely.

I was a child in the 70s. The regular 'power cuts' were a candle-lit adventure for us. Cozy and lovely. I didn't know the power was being cut off. It was the Cold War and I had no idea, even though I now know my parents were living a very worried life.

And I can't do the fucking same for my own children. They're too aware of politics and are stressing about their future already.

Still it's all an adventure for them, right? (trying to keep the thread positive as requested)

Oh elfycat thats terrible :(

The day after the brexit vote my Facebook was full of supportive/apologetic messages.

Big positive for us is that it motivated us to get DH and DC their German passports ( joking, wish it wasn’t necessary)

Its something that I've found really interesting in that, many leave voters genuinely don't realise the upheaval, chaos, racism, potential job losses, and family insecurity people have been going through over the past two and a half years.

A lovely family member (leave voter) is holding a big event on the 29th March - and when I said, ooh brexit day, she didn't know, and anyway, afasc it doesn't make any difference to her or her friends.

My child's lovely Polish friend, who was an incredible role model for hard work at school and really pushed my child on, also left for New Zealand last Summer. Parents were doctor and a dentist. I wish we had gone too. This doesn't feel like a country I want to be part of anymore.

Waits for usual mealy mouthed leaver comments about ’don’t let the door hit you on the way out ’.