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AIBU to request a positive thread on Brexit?

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mobyduck · 28/01/2019 11:38

Everyone here (nearly) says it will be bad.
Let's hear some positives about our coming freedom from the EU!

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LadyGAgain · 02/02/2019 09:36

Wow @Justanotherlurker - you really do talk utter nonsense don't you.

LadyGAgain · 02/02/2019 09:36

 @mobyduck GrinGrin

Clavinova · 02/02/2019 10:00

mobyduck Fri 01-Feb-19 00:19:27
The Guardian today:
Nearly one in three British businesses are planning to relocate some of their operations abroad or have already shifted them to cope with a hard Brexit, according to a leading lobby group

Should that be 1 in 600?

www.continentaltelegraph.com/brexit/not-one-in-three-businesses-planning-brexit-relocation-but-one-in-six-hundred/

The Institute of Directors says that one in three of its members is thinking about, planning for, business relocation in the event of Brexit.This is being reported as one in three businesses is planning for relocation in the event of Brexit.The two are not the same statement although that’s how our entirely unbiased media is reporting it

There are 5.5 to 6 million businesses in the UK.The IoD has 30,000 members. The finding is that one in three of IoD members are planning for relocation of some part of their activities.That is, 0.166% of businesses are planning relocation – that’s what has actually been found

Thank goodness the British media is entirely free of fake news, eh?

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mobyduck · 02/02/2019 10:13

*mobyduck Fri 01-Feb-19 00:19:27
The Guardian today:
Nearly one in three British businesses are planning to relocate some of their operations abroad or have already shifted them to cope with a hard Brexit, according to a leading lobby group

Should that be 1 in 600?

www.continentaltelegraph.com/brexit/not-one-in-three-businesses-planning-brexit-relocation-but-one-in-six-hundred/

The Institute of Directors says that one in three of its members is thinking about, planning for, business relocation in the event of Brexit.This is being reported as one in three businesses is planning for relocation in the event of Brexit.The two are not the same statement although that’s how our entirely unbiased media is reporting it

There are 5.5 to 6 million businesses in the UK.The IoD has 30,000 members. The finding is that one in three of IoD members are planning for relocation of some part of their activities.That is, 0.166% of businesses are planning relocation – that’s what has actually been found
Thank goodness the British media is entirely free of fake news, eh?*
Thank goodness you are quoting a more reliable source! LOLOLOLOL!

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Clavinova · 02/02/2019 10:18

Ironically, it seems that the outgoing Director General of the Institute of Directors (he stepped down last week) voted Leave and he's from Northern Ireland;

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/brexit-voting-director-general-of-institute-of-directors-iod-stephen-martin-makes-early-exit-1-9566492

The Northern Irishman has said that he voted to leave because of the amount of EU regulations and because he felt the country was “crying out for change” following the banking crisis

Clavinova · 02/02/2019 10:20

mobyduck

Are you saying that 2 million British businesses are relocating (or planning to relocate) overseas?

Lweji · 02/02/2019 10:21

It's not that unreasonable to extrapolate the sample to a larger population.

If 1/3 of the members are thinking of relocating, it's likely that a similar proportion of international businesses or businesses that have international interests are thinking the same.

So, not 1/600, but probably more than 1/10.

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mobyduck · 02/02/2019 11:09

*mobyduck

Are you saying that 2 million British businesses are relocating (or planning to relocate) overseas?*

If Brexit means we can all go back and live in 1950, and regain the British Empire we had in the 19th Century, it will all have been worth while.
May not happen ,though.

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Mistigri · 02/02/2019 13:48

There are 5.5 to 6 million businesses in the UK.The IoD has 30,000 members. The finding is that one in three of IoD members are planning for relocation of some part of their activities.That is, 0.166% of businesses are planning relocation

This is so obvious that it barely needs saying - but most of those 5.5 to 6 million businesses can't relocate, because they can't cut your hair or fit your kitchen or mend your toilet from the other side of the English Channel.

IOD members will be mainly large companies, not hairdressers, so while their membership may be a small percentage of all businesses, they will account for a comparatively large share of private sector economic activity.

WaxMyBalls · 02/02/2019 13:55

Well if it's just the 10,000 (large) businesses we'll lose because of this charade, that's obviously completely fine.

Helmetbymidnight · 02/02/2019 17:03

Good news for brexiteers from Sunderland.

Taking control back nicely.

LadyGAgain · 02/02/2019 23:40

Good spot @Helmetbymidnight

PerverseConverse · 03/02/2019 12:43

Nissan have just confirmed that the X-Trail will be made in Japan not Sunderland so no longer a maybe but a definite further blow to the people of the North East.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561

Cobblersandhogwash · 03/02/2019 13:55

They don't care. They would vote Leave again. Mostly because they don't believe Brexit has had an impact on that particular decision.

I think we have to crash out with no deal. There is no other way that this cult can be broken.

PerverseConverse · 03/02/2019 14:05

Sunderland voted to leave by 61%. I wonder how many of them are were employed by Nissan?

icannotremember · 03/02/2019 14:54

I think we have to crash out with no deal. There is no other way that this cult can be broken.

Terrify me as no deal does I am starting to reluctantly think you may be right. Maybe people will have to actually experience the massive hardship and disruption that no deal will bring to get why it is such a dreadful mistake.

Thing is, 1) the suffering will be awful and it is insane that we are going to inflict it on ourselves, and 2) the brexiters seem so determined not to see the reality of things that I can imagine them still blaming the EU/ remainers/ the metropolitan elite/ etc even as people went hungry and martial law was imposed and rubbish rotted in the stinking streets and people died from lack of medicine.

Things are so mad now that even though I have not made a single thing up in writing this post, I know there will still be a bunch of people reading it and scoffing that it will all be fine omg what are you even worrying about just because 99% of those who know how any of this works say it will be a literal emergency doesn't mean anything...

luckylavender · 03/02/2019 14:57

Nice try OP but all the wishing in the world can't make this good. It's not a fairy story.

Sproutingcorm · 03/02/2019 14:59

What cobblers said Sad

luckylavender · 03/02/2019 14:59

@mobyduck - I've just read how complacent you were so you didn't vote. There are special places in hell reserved for people like you. I have no words.

HesterShaw21 · 03/02/2019 15:01

"the brexiters seem so determined not to see the reality of things that I can imagine them still blaming the EU/ remainers/ the metropolitan elite/ etc even as people went hungry and martial law was imposed and rubbish rotted in the stinking streets and people died from lack of medicine."

Sadly I think you're right, icannotremember

Ta1kinPeace · 03/02/2019 15:20

Please listen to Sabine Weyland.
She knows the reality of the situation
(I set it running in one tab and then carried on browsing)

Cobblersandhogwash · 03/02/2019 16:39

Well can we crash out and then suffer for a year and then scramble to negotiate to rejoin?

We would have to join the Euro and Schengen though and we not have the same leader status as before.

Yogurty · 03/02/2019 16:44

luckylavender

That’s a horrible thing to say and completely uncalled for. Furthermore, it adds nothing to the debate or to anyone’s understanding but just makes remainers look intolerant and vindictive.

I’m a remainer, by the way.

longwayoff · 03/02/2019 17:06

Intolerant and uncalled for, lavender. Plenty of remainers didn't vote as they had no idea the little englanders could be stupid enough to self sabotage their own families, their own futures and the rest of the country. Witness the stupefaction of politicians as awareness dawned the following day. If you're reserving places in hell, kindly keep a few spaces for charlatan Aaron Banks and his seedy, dodgy mates and dirty money. Moby is a long way down the list, if she's on it at all.

luckylavender · 03/02/2019 17:44

I'm sorry if you think I'm unkind & intolerant. Maybe I am. But we live in a democracy & it's our DUTY to vote. I'm afraid I take very unkindly to people who chose not to vote and then have an opinion - in any election. I am 100% committed to Remain & I still fervently hope that can happen. I don't think anything about Brexit is frivolous, least of all the Tory vanity that brought us here. I worry about the future constantly. But you know, at least Vote Leave has an opinion and have stuck to it. That's democracy.