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AIBU to request a positive thread on Brexit?

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mobyduck · 28/01/2019 11:38

Everyone here (nearly) says it will be bad.
Let's hear some positives about our coming freedom from the EU!

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Clavinova · 30/01/2019 23:43

Meanwhile, we signed a trade continuity agreement with Chile today;

www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-chile-sign-continuity-agreement

mobyduck · 31/01/2019 02:37

Meanwhile, we signed a trade continuity agreement with Chile today;

I suppose we'll have to get used to guinea pig pie.

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EerieSilence · 31/01/2019 03:14

For all good people looking forward to cheap homes, I will try to use to explain the consequences in simple sentences.
Property house crash = Construction industry grounds to a halt
No construction = no new houses are built
Even worse, no construction = construction workers get sacked. Companies depending on construction have to reduce their numbers too.
Banks get all jittery because mortgages don't get paid. Landlords get all jittery because rents don't get paid, so they have no money from the rental properties to pay their mortgage.
Banks hate having to repossess houses in crisis because they are losing money on the property.
They can put forward a set of rules so strict they will make it almost impossible to get a mortgage for those who were looking forward to cheap houses. Higher deposits, guarantees etc.
Who's to say those looking forward to cheap houses will have their jobs once the crisis extends to other industries?
When the market picks up, rents and house prices go up because there will be no available houses.
So yeah, enjoy the property crash and beautiful houses once you kicked out those pesky foreigners.

mobyduck · 31/01/2019 03:35

The UK will cheerily strike up deals with the Third World and we will happily become a banana republic.

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Lweji · 31/01/2019 03:49

It would be wonderful if everyone pulled together and determined to make the best of a bad situation, but I haven’t seen much evidence of it the last few years, just insults and arguments. Judging by most of the Brexit threads here, do you really think Remainers will be standing shoulder to shoulder with Leavers? I doubt it.

The UK hasn't left yet.
Of course Remainers will work towards not bankruptcy and major disruption as much as any Leaver.

Before, though, why help sinking the ship that has been navigating nicely so far?
If the Titanic was turned on a collision course with an iceberg why would anyone help steer it further towards it?
It doesn't mean that those trying to steer it away won't do their best when the water gushes in.
However, why would anyone want to set the course towards the iceberg field?
Remember it was said it was unsinkable?

Cobblersandhogwash · 31/01/2019 06:20

I will never stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone who thinks the economic damage happening to our country is worth it because they don't understand sovereignty.

Which idiot would ever get behind the really shit idea that is Brexit?

Quietrebel · 31/01/2019 06:30

What's wrong with German citizens moving to Britain? Unless you're somehow implying that migrants who eventually qualify for citizenship of their new country, are somehow not as proper citizens, as those who were born citizens in the first place?

This.
Really insulting.
What next then, ethnic cleansing?

bellinisurge · 31/01/2019 06:41

Exactly, @Quietrebel . I was born here, educated here, I'm a citizen. I pay all tax here. My Dad too. His parents weren't. They weren't even from what are now E.U. countries. My mum wasn't born here. She was born in what is now an EU country. Both worked here and died here and paid taxes here all their lives.
Am I somehow less British?

Mistigri · 31/01/2019 07:39

What's wrong with German citizens moving to Britain?

The person who wrote that has nothing against migration, as s/he has been or is a migrant him/herself.

In the discussion about immigration from German, the subtext is the ethnic origin of the (potential) migrants.

Clavinova · 31/01/2019 08:16

mobyduck
The UK will cheerily strike up deals with the Third World and we will happily become a banana republic

Chile isn't a third world country - it's been an OECD member since 2010 - 6 months before Israel joined;
www.oecd.org/about/membersandpartners/list-oecd-member-countries.htm

Hoppinggreen · 31/01/2019 08:21

As we will need to make concessions to non EU countries in return for trade deals , Countries who (shudder) have people living there who are “not like us” they will want freer movement for their citizens coming here - as David Lammy said , they will what “visas, visas and more visas “ the Brexit voting racists will find we soon have even more of the “wrong” sort of immigrant (ie non white)

BorisBogtrotter · 31/01/2019 08:39

The UK hasn't struck any deal.

This is on the current terms that it has, which is using the terms of the EU deal.

Other countries and trade blocs have said that they won't just roll them over.

Don't trumpet this like its some negotiated success, it isn't.

Mistigri · 31/01/2019 08:50

There is no such thing as a "wrong sort of immigrant" unless you're a racist.

toomuchtooold · 31/01/2019 08:59

Of course not every migrant out of the 1.3 million will want to leave Germany for the UK. But some will. And I’m glad it will potentially be more difficult for them to do so

Me too! Because two of them are now working in my DD's old kindergarten and that kindergarten struggled for years to find new permanent staff. Every time someone was sick, some of the kids would end up having to stay at home. It was a bugger.

I think there is a misconception that the UK is some massive draw for immigrants. It's really not that great. English makes it more attractive, as there are a lot of people who speak English as their second language, but Germany is offering free intensive German courses to all the new immigrants and they'll be well sorted by the time they can think about moving. Why would you move? Here the health service is better, the schools are much better, houses are cheaper, apprenticeships actually exist and bring you something, the job market is very good...

TheElementsSong · 31/01/2019 09:01

The person who wrote about not wanting ethnic minorities with German citizenship to move here (and wrote it twice so so mistake), strangely was unable to elaborate on this.

Nevertheless, let that be a lesson to any EU citizens living in the UK, who were denied a vote in the referendum and who are now going through terrible uncertainty and the utter incompetence of "Settled Status".

The same Leavers who have been jeering for 3 years about "well if you really didn't want to be treated like bargaining chips, you should have used the Schroedinger's crystal ball taken British citizenship to show that you're a real human being" - wonder how many of those Leavers actually think that even if you had become British, you're still not a real citizen because of your genetic heritage Hmm.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 31/01/2019 09:03

Positive: I have discovered the joy of R3 and Spotify after realising that listening to endless MPs talking drivel AND being constantly interrupted by the interviewers on R4 was bad for me.

Clavinova · 31/01/2019 09:25

This is on the current terms that it has, which is using the terms of the EU deal
Sounds like a sensible plan to me - rumour has it that we are leaving the EU soon and we need some countries to trade with.

Don't trumpet this like its some negotiated success, it isn't
I didn't - I posted; Meanwhile, we signed a trade continuity agreement with Chile today

bellinisurge · 31/01/2019 09:36

Chile? And Israel? Our economy is saved! Hurrah and thrice hurrah!HmmConfused

Buteo · 31/01/2019 09:45

Well, along with the the agreement on Australian wine, we’ll still be able to get pissed (although tariffs would only add about 8p per bottle, despite what the Spoons idiot tries to tell the gullible).

Clavinova · 31/01/2019 09:48

bellinisurge
You stick to your lentils and spam bellinsurge - I prefer wine, fruit and nuts from Chile.

bellinisurge · 31/01/2019 09:51

I hate spam @Clavinova .

Figmentofmyimagination · 31/01/2019 09:55

We still have the "special relationship" with the US. Oh wait -

Thoroughly demoralising interview on Today this morning with US guy about how Brexit will damage our relationship with the UK because we were the US's liberal market economy in Europe with a seat at the EU table.

Who knew?

Hoppinggreen · 31/01/2019 09:59

Exactly mistri

Readytorewind · 31/01/2019 10:07

I'd really like a list of who we have free trade set up with after March?

I'm actually assuming Chile and Israel (Hmm) are free trade? Or is it WTO tarrif trade?

badlydrawnperson · 31/01/2019 10:08

If Brexit causes food shortages we might have fewer cake smashes.

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