AIBU to request a positive thread on Brexit?

[mobyduck]

Everyone here (nearly) says it will be bad.
Let's hear some positives about our coming freedom from the EU!

Oh that's alright then Moby, to wait 50 years to get back to where we are now? I'll be dead and my DC's would be middle aged - great stuff, I'm rubbing my hands with glee

We export arms (or components) to Israel; we don't import them

I didn't say we did. I said other EU countries don't mind trading with Israel - which includes buying arms from them. Israel imports about 30% of its arms from Germany - but that's ok apparently as Germany has a special relationship with Israel.

Sorry, wasn't trying to make any bigger point than that we export not import. I agree that it's a bit odd to start getting bothered about trading with Israel now. We've done it for ages and it's already controversial.

"Well, the UK government (both the Tory and the Blair/Brown governments) have colluded with business to allow them access to a vast pool of cheap labour from Europe, thereby keeping wages low and allowing working conditions to deteriorate here. "

People really need to stop repeating this bullshit.

Wages even for the lowest paid went up during the period 2004 to 2008.

Th." e migration "There is little evidence of substantial impacts of EEA immigration on aggregate wages. Again, there is some evidence that lower-skilled workers face a negative impact while higher-skilled workers benefit, however the magnitude of the impacts are generally small" Migration Advisory Committee.

In fact the same extensive research shows that the impact of the fall in the pound following brexit has had a larger impact on real wages than immigration had in the previous 12 years.

It sounds good to repeat this idea of immigration driving wages down.

But its bollocks.

Isitmybathtimeyet

but as JRM says we should see the benefits in 50 years or so.

My eldest, 13, who had just started GCSE would only be a few years off age of current retirement ages - though probably won't be retiring at 65 anymore.

There have been quite a few good programs about the British Empire and how we actually made our money which I’ve enjoyed - not sure if we’ll be getting more post leaving – but still a positive.

Brexiteers are excited that we are continuing trade deals with Chile and Israel?

Is that all they've got? Really?

Do we have any new positives yet?

It’ll allllllllll be fine.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/31/trauma-packs-being-stockpiled-in-uk-over-fears-of-no-deal-brexit

Well, from a personal perspective (owning a business) corporation tax will probably decrease as we try desperately to entice businesses back/to stay. Although I am more than happy to forfeit that if it means staying in the EU.

Personal positives: I've learnt lots of history with regards to Britain and NI. I've learnt about politics. I've become a forward purchaser. Other than that there are no positives to this clusterfuck.

Same here cuppa
Of course we may lose some of our contracts so will turn over less so pay less Corp Tax anyway

I'm usually the most calm and laidback person but now I wake up every day angry and depressed. My husband's on antidepressants, my FIL has been made redundant by his company leaving the U.K, our house move has fallen through due to 'economic uncertainty', my DF's business involves imports and looks as though it won't last through no deal, my son goes to an international school and half the student's families are having to leave the country and it's funding from the EU will disappear.

That's without all the very real likelihood of food and medical shortages. I'm furious that a minority of the U.K. population have done so much damage.

Reasons to be cheerful? I bloody wish.

It isn't 'odd' to be worrying about setting up different trade agreements with Israel. At the moment we trade in the same way (and we have the same deal) as a member of a much bigger power. After this we are in our own in regards to trade with them. Trust, that is what I'm concerned with.

Boris well said.

Can we not just have a few bullet points of positives from brexiteers. It can't be that difficult.

I wonder if it is a positive that schoolchildren will be able to eat turkey twizzlers again (the Guardian):

Schools will be able to be “flexible” in what dinners they serve children if there are food shortages because of Brexit, the government has said.
A no-deal technical notice just issued by the Department for Education explains that the government will not be able to guarantee the supply chain of any food that comes in from the continent because of the prospect of checks in places such as Calais and Dunkirk.
But, it adds: “Schools have significant flexibilities within the school food standards.”
The advice means schools could ignore guidelines on nutrition and balanced content if there are shortages, raising the prospect of a return to the days of turkey twizzlers and chicken nuggets as daily school fare.

I’ve never known people so excited about something but unable to articulate what it is they’re excited about.

So I suppose that’s a positive- it’s been a great insight into the way some people think.

And then . . .

Well I am immensely rich and all my friends are stockbrokers and disaster capitalists
So we will all make a killing when the pound tanks.
I won't have to abide by those pesky EU human rights rules or the EU Tax avoidance directive so I can pay my employees a pittance and stash my money overseas.
The NHS will be sold off to Private American companies who will likewise make a fortune for their corporate owners, I'm thinking of investing. It really will be a Win Win for me

And then . . .

There is no more "and then" I will not play your Chinese mind games!

Well I am immensely rich and all my friends are stockbrokers and disaster capitalists
So we will all make a killing when the pound tanks.

The pound was already earmarked as overvalued long before brexit.

www.macrotrends.net/2549/pound-dollar-exchange-rate-historical-chart

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/12065157/Pound-is-most-overvalued-currency-in-the-world-analysts-claim.html

Still, the vocal educated remain voters new this and are not just repeating headlines.

I won't have to abide by those pesky EU human rights rules

Citation needed.

or the EU Tax avoidance directive so I can pay my employees a pittance and stash my money overseas.

Oh, you have been following some agenda driven blogs posts, still citation needed that isn't some opinion piece.

The NHS will be sold off to Private American companies who will likewise make a fortune for their corporate owners

If in doubt resort to hyperbolic shite, "but the book!!!" is not an educated response.

The vocal remainers are all from working class backgrounds who shat on the working class and voted for a principled leader who is also a life long eurosceptic because they cannot accept they themselves are neoliberal.

GDP matters with regards to Brexit but when it comes to a GE its a tory conspiracy, this really is becoming comical to watch.

Dear me lurker, you make less and less sense by the day.

The Guardian today:
Nearly one in three British businesses are planning to relocate some of their operations abroad or have already shifted them to cope with a hard Brexit, according to a leading lobby group.
The Institute of Directors (IoD) warned that 29% of firms in a survey of 1,200 members believed Brexit posed a significant risk to their operations in the UK and had either moved part of their businesses abroad already or were planning to do so.
More than one in 10 had already set up operations outside the UK as the prospect of a no-deal Brexit becomes more likely amid Westminster gridlock. Most firms considering a move were looking to open offices inside the European Union, said the IoD, which represents 30,000 firms.

Edwin Morgan, the IoD’s interim director general, said: “We can no more ignore the real consequences of delay and confusion than business leaders can ignore the hard choices that they face in protecting their companies.
“Change is a necessary and often positive part of doing business, but the unavoidable disruption and increased trade barriers that no deal would bring are entirely unproductive.”
Large companies such as Sony and Panasonic have relocated their European headquarters from the UK to the continent, but the IoD said smaller companies were also enacting plans. Morgan said a surge of smaller firms had activated their plans in the last week.

The vocal remainers are all from working class backgrounds who shat on the working class

What? Not what the demographics, polls or experts say, but hey, you know best, I'm sure...

The Daily Mash guide to Brexiters:
HAVE you ever wondered how Brexiters manage to have such a simplistic view of everything? Here Leave voter Norman Steele explains how the world works.
Other people’s jobs
Any job you don’t understand is easy. For example, being a surgeon is just a matter of having a steady hand and knowing what goes where. I could do it. I’ve made Airfix kits.
International trade
It beats me why we need all these trade agreements and regulations. My local car boot sale just charges £7 a pitch and last Saturday I made a profit of £22 – plus I got rid of that dodgy gas heater! Perhaps we should be thinking of moving to a system more like this.
Science
Any scientist will tell you there are no facts, just wild guesses. Sure, they come up with ‘theories’ like global warming, but how’s that better than my theory that cats have their own secret language?
Post-Brexit air travel
People keep fretting about this but they’re bound to sort something out. If they don’t we’ll just employ ballsy pilots who’ll dive in and land when there’s a gap in the air traffic.
Being successful
The only way to be successful in life is good, honest graft. For some reason people get annoyed and start arguing when I say things like this, so I just imagine a little tune in my head and stop listening.
Relationships
The reason so many relationships fail is that people aren’t prepared to work at them. My marriage is an exhausting, never-ending slog, or at least that’s how my wife describes it.