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BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 12:06

Warning extremely long post

I had a couple of career jobs in my 20's. Stayed at home in my 30's raising our family. Now in my 40's it is time to work again.

I have some concerns about returning to work and a couple of questions regarding child care.

Child care questions first.

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to leave a 10yo, 8yo and 6yo to lock up the house and walk 10 minutes to primary school together in the morning and return home together after school to wait home together but without adult supervision until a parent returns. They already do this walk with me daily. 8yo and 10yo sometimes walk back from school on their own.

I think we would have to pay for school wrap around care for all three children. As 6yo and 8yo are too young to be on their own and the 10yo is very anxious child and gets very frightened if they are ever left alone, even to sleep or visit the bathroom.

1. Do we need to pay for wrap around school care for the three younger children ?

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to get the 12yo to watch the 10yo, 8yo and 6yo all day in the school holidays whilst we both work. 12yo would also have to serve a simple cold lunch and get snacks and drinks out.

I think we would have to pay for holiday care for the youngest two at the very minimum. As 10yo would probably be OK with 12yo during the day.

2. Do we need to pay for holiday care for the youngest two/three ?

Now the work concerns

I have not formally worked for a decade, but have volunteered for a few things during this time. However I still have a working brain and I am more than capable of finding work and actually doing a job day to day.

In fact the thought of working with adults is appealing to me, to do work that matters rather than the endless grind of housework. All things being equal, I look forward to returning to work. However I was planning to wait until the youngest was in high school and my DH wants me to go back now...hence looking into practicalities now.

My main concern is that I won't be able to turn a profit. My last job was well paid, however as I need a local job and a short commute (because of health issues) there isn't much choice locally. I will likely end up in a minimum wage no promotion type job.

I need to balance this new income against one off costs (work clothes and a pair of shoes), work related costs (petrol/parking), child care costs AND taking into account the loss of child tax credits (removed at a sliding scale depending on my new income) and loss of PIP (which I suspect will be removed the moment I return to work, even though in theory PIP is not related to work, in reality it usually is)

I need this combination to come out with a positive number. Of course if I found a term time or school hours job that would be a lot easier to do, but nothing around here at the minute. So looking at full time hours jobs.

I know there will be comments about how childcare costs need to be taken out of DH's wage too. But in reality his wage already covers all monthly expenses with a tiny amount left over. Simply speaking, if my wage can't cover all my new costs plus turn a profit, it is not feasible.

My DH has ruled out evening or weekend work, as he doesn't want to be stuck in with the children whilst I work. Which is a shame, as this would be the easiest way to turn a profit. I will talk to him again, as I think this is the best solution.

Night work would be very hard for me, as I need to use my cpap machine a minimum of six hours a night in order to be compliant and keep my driving license.

So I am looking at week day work.

I am worried that my ill health will make holding a job down difficult.

My bowel disease means that I need access to a toilet at all times and that access has to be spontaneous, as I might only have a minute to get there. I can not finish a phone call or finish serving a customer, I need a job that I can excuse myself and visit the ladies as and when I need to.

It also means I have periods of a few days a month when I can't leave the bathroom in the morning and would near the flexibility to start work late on these days.

I also have a yearly review and every three years I have a colonoscopy. So would need time off for that stuff too.

I am on a medical diet to reduce IBS symptoms (in addition to my other bowel issue), which means I always have to eat my own food and need somewhere to store, reheat, eat food. This should be an easy one to sort out, as I carry my own food with me as standard.

My Under Active Thyroid requires regular blood tests and medicine updates to get my levels right. This is partially why I am so exhausted all the time. Probably only need two gp appointments every three months. One for bloods, one for results.

My hearing issues are mild, I wear aid in my hearing impaired ear but not in my deaf one, I can lipread. I find noisy environments very difficult to deal with and clearly struggle to hear at some times. But honestly this has never affected my work much.

Beyond people failing to get my attention sometimes and I prefer to confirm everything in a email to check I haven't misheard anything (which is sensible for everyone to do).

Sleep Apnoea adds to my tiredness and I use a cpap machine overnight in order to keep my driving license.

I am temporarily having balance issues, I am falling over more and dropping things a fair bit. But I am confident this will go away, maybe I need some exercises to do. I have a Neurology Appointment next month, hopefully it will rule out the nasties and I will get a sheet of exercises to strengthen my legs and grip.

My bowel disease and my hearing impairment are classed as disabilities but I don't consider myself to be disabled.

My DH thinks I am disabled and I should tell potential employers upfront and I am more likely to get a guarantee interview this way too. But I am concerned my issues would put them off employing me. However it would give me a chance to explain in person, how I am a good worker, despite a few health issues. So I am very undecided on this point.

I am unsure when/if I would tell an employee about my health issues. Before interview, after I start work, if it starts affecting my job ?

3. Do work need to know about my health issues ? If so when do you mention it ?

4. Will work allow me time off for regular medical appointments?

I am concerned that DH has made it clear that he can not help with the children's clubs, illness, homework. As he works long hours a good distance away.

In particularly I need to cover 12yo brace appointments every three months and 6yo speech therapy appointments one hour weekly.

5. Will work allow me time off for regular children medical appointments? Or how else do I get children to these appointments?

Currently there are also a beavers, cubs, dance, scouts and gymnastic evening clubs outside school. Plus a couple of after school clubs too.
I usually parent and ferry children around between 3.30pm and 8pm (latest one 9.30pm) every evening.

6. But if I work full time and need to fit homework, tea, bath in for the kids, I assume they will have to quit all these clubs. Or do I get a taxi to run them there, whilst I parent the other children ? How do other people do this ?

My DH has already said that he can not take time off to cover children illness, it is up to me to cover it all. Luckily only the 6yo is ill often and I am confident that this will improve in time. I am guessing I will need maximum 6 days a year to cover D&V bugs, hopefully a lot less.

7. Will work allow me time off when kids are ill ? What are the alternatives ?

I am concerned that I simply will not be able to cope doing everything that I do now and work 40 hours on top of it
However I know plenty of women do it and therefore there is no reason I shouldn't try.

But I am so exhausted already and I don't know how I am going find the extra energy I need. Already at home, I can not sit down from 3pm onwards as I will fall asleep, even if talking to someone or doing paperwork. The doctor said that is normal for parents, so I just have to KOKO.

Despite all these worries, if I can address all the above concerns and bring in some much needed money into the house, I would be delighted.

On the plus note, I want to earn my own money, help support our family, maybe save up for a family holiday. I want to stop living on such a tight budget, where so many things are simply beyond our means. It would be great to know that when something breaks we would have the money there to to fix it.

But what if I make everything so much worse for me and the kids. What if I work full time and bring in a small amount of money or nothing. I am worried that the kids will spend all their time alone or at school, have to cancel their clubs and not see their friends, so I can work for no profit.

I am definitely going back to work but I planned to get all the kids into high school first, to reduce child care costs. I just think with three in primary school this is going to be hard.

Any positive advice welcome.

I am feeling better now my concerns are written down. Hopefully I will get some good pointers from here and I can work down my list, eliminating my concerns.

Ps. Congratulations for reading this far !

OP posts:
Pumpkintopf · 22/01/2019 23:34

That's a good idea re LinkedIn.

Mojito8654 · 23/01/2019 00:43

You think you can work in a pub, at night? Sure.

HoraceCope · 23/01/2019 06:28

Just give your previous job your dates that you worked there and they should be able to provide a reference , they are very basic nowadays.
i can't understand them not having kept records.

BackToWorkAgain · 23/01/2019 07:29

Pumpkintopf
I will ring my previous employer and have another discussion today, see if they found anything.
Apparently a year after I left HR started a database with all the information in it for references (tbh they only give confirmation of names, title, salary and dates worked) so that works well for them but because it was nearly 13 years ago, my paper records are achieved somewhere! This company is a massive NHS primary care trust, so I would of expected them to keep records a little more organised!

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BackToWorkAgain · 23/01/2019 11:04

My previous employer HR lady confirms that they have to get personnel files until the subject of that file reaches retirement age. So they will definately have my file somewhere but they are not sure where.

She has agreed to send a holding response to any one who requests a reference for me to this effect.

I am going to see if I can find my contract as that will confirm my start date at the very least.

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BackToWorkAgain · 23/01/2019 11:06

HoraceCope They won't just give out a reference without finding my files. I told them my job title, salary, years I worked and office location, so they have all the facts.

But I see their pov, I could be anyone, they have to check.

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rainbowbash · 23/01/2019 11:14

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BlueNeighbourhood · 23/01/2019 17:38

This is the most frustrating thread I’ve ever read.

OP why are you refusing to answer any questions about your husbands employment?

-How much is his fuel per week?
-How long is he out of the home each day?
-What is his wage? It must be low as you get tax credits to top it up?
-Why won’t he look for other roles close to home? Tell us the job title, we will show you it’s feasible to move company.

Why does his needs trump yours and your children? I absolutely cannot believe he commutes that far then goes to the gym too each day and you like a doormat just accept it?! The only thing I get from this is that he doesn’t like being at home and he doesn’t like to parent his children. It’s all very odd. You need to start answering the questions put to you, as your husband is anything but a good man - he’s extremely selfish and out for himself.

Soontobe60 · 23/01/2019 18:38

18 pages for a job in a school? Utter rubbish! Even a Headteacher would only have a 2 page application form, 3 at a push! What is the job exactly?
Is your nose growing OP?

Aaaahfuck · 23/01/2019 18:47

It shouldn't just be your problem to sort out all of this stuff!

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 23/01/2019 18:57

So when you started this thread your DH's job was so inflexible that he couldn't possibly do any wraparound care, take time off for sick kids or appointments but now, all of a sudden, it's no problem for him to finish three (I'm assuming given his commute?) hours early a couple of days a week? It just doesn't make sense.

Onglue · 23/01/2019 19:43

OP Primary Care Trusts don't exist anymore which is possibly why your employment file has been archived.

BackToWorkAgain · 23/01/2019 20:13

I might be a name changer but I don't lie, ask Mumsnet Towers, I am a long standing poster.

Yes, the form was 18 pages long, it was ridiculous. Including details of every job back to age 16yo. But plenty of tick box pages too. It took me ages, as I had to collate the information before I filled out the form. But it will come in for a CV.

Yes my old PCT has reorganised and has a new name but still on the same site, they will find my file.

It doesn't matter exactly how much DH earns etc as the only relevant point is, his wage covers all our expenses (via a strict budget) but does not include anything extra for breakage or savings.

I am feeling much better about trying to work. It is time for me to find a job which will work for me. If I fall ill or can't cope than we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

DH and I have had many talks this week and it is not surprising that he is learning to be more flexible, he sees how much he is expecting off me he has to make an effort to.

Final point to remember, this is my real life not a blood soap opera. I have to make decisions based on my family and our real life situation. It is easy to throw words around in a screen but I understand our family and you guys don't.

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ChariotsofFish · 23/01/2019 20:53

Yeah, your DH is a bit of a liar though isn’t he? A week ago his job was completely inflexible and he could be no help in the evenings due to his commute. Now it turns out he spends an hour a day in the company gym and can finish at three most days if he fancies. How can you put up with it?!

Weepingwillow5 · 23/01/2019 21:14

What would you need to do to bring your professional skills up to date OP ? Are there part time or home based roles available ?

At the very least what transferable skills do you have from your profession ?

If you update these skills , then you may well be able to work part time and still make a good wage .

Would you be interested in returning to the same area of work ? I too have been out of my profession for a decade , but feel I’ve changed in that time and now want to re train and follow a different path.

It doesn’t sound realistic for your DH to do more childcare , historically I’ve been in the same position . I do think 6/8 year olds are too young to be left . So you do need to factor in child care . Unless you can wfh or school hours .

Romanov · 23/01/2019 21:32

It doesn't matter exactly how much DH earns etc as the only relevant point is, his wage covers all our expenses (via a strict budget) but does not include anything extra for breakage or savings.

actually it does, and what industry he is in - as you are telling us that he is telling you he cannot change jobs as even with the 200/60 mile commute you would be worse off even though you claim tax credits so its not like he is the head of Amazon??

if you want advice from people in the real world (or mn) you need to give the relevant information

Sophia1984 · 24/01/2019 08:41

Hi OP. I really feel for you - it sounds like you have an awful lot on your plate, and looking after 4 children and running a household is absolutely a full-time job already, notwithstanding your health issues. What really stood out to me from your posts, was how you seemed to 'perk up' and sound really excited and passionate when you were talking about your previous employment and skills - which sound amazing. I'd really encourage you to try and find freelance work in this area. I also had a quick browse on CharityJob and found this which, if you're in the South, looks interesting: www.charityjob.co.uk/jobs/the-ernest-kleinwort-charitable-trust/administrative-assistant/617241?tsId=6
There are so many small charities who can't afford a dedicated fundraiser who you could write bids for
Wishing you all the best x

Desmondo2016 · 24/01/2019 09:43

It absolutely is relevant how much your dh earns as the whole point was that it transpires (through you getting tax credits etc) that he probably wasn't actually on a very high salary and therefore would be absolutely able to get a job, any job, much closer to home and thus remove pretty much every issue in your post!

TwitterLovesMAPs · 24/01/2019 11:17

Desmondo is right. If your husband is commuting three hours a day just to do a call centre customer services job or something for £25k a year, for example, then obviously it’s not worth the time or money he spends getting there and away from the family. In which case, absolutely his getting a new job would address nearly all of the issues in your OP.

TwitterLovesMAPs · 24/01/2019 11:17

And how is he suddenly able to do a couple of pick ups a week when it was out of the question before?

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 24/01/2019 12:26

DH and I have had many talks this week and it is not surprising that he is learning to be more flexible, he sees how much he is expecting off me he has to make an effort to

So it turns out it isn't his job or his employer that's inflexible at all, he just made out that was the case because he didn't want to do any school pick ups? Doesn't that make you furious with him?

BackToWorkAgain · 24/01/2019 18:59

MinisterforCheekyFuckery Why would I mind, when schools runs were always part of my job. I never wanted or expected him to do school runs. Though he has done them voluntarily when he was home on holiday from work.

He is learning that having two parents that work will require more work all around.

TBH he is already stepping up more, he has took over taking the kids to their clubs, so I had time to get the application form in this week.

He said he is still applying for jobs closer to home, which I didn't know he was doing. Which I am very pleased about, as I thought he had given up on the idea of getting a local job. Let's hope he gets one !

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Teateaandmoretea · 24/01/2019 19:04

Are you for real? You don't understand why your DH was out of order suggesting you could work full time and do everything you had to do before? Confused

At least it sounds like he is starting to smell the coffee and realise that having a penis doesn't give him the right to be treated like royalty. But it's a bit worrying he had to be told imo.

BackToWorkAgain · 24/01/2019 19:12

Thanks Sophia1984

I do want to contribute more to our family, I am worried about my health but I can just try my best and see what happens !

I haven't received an email about the local school job today, so I don't have an interview tomorrow. I am not surprised as 2 pages of the 18 page application were dedicated to proving how Catholic I am...I am not Catholic !

I have found a £22k home based job which looks good, which I found on the charity weblink you provided (I am not down south, so that particular job was out)

So I am applying for that one too.

I am not sure what will work best for me a low paying term time job with less/no childcare costs OR a fulltime home based job which pays more but cost loads in childcare especially holiday cover.

Being a home is better for my bad days and no sharing a toilet.

However if I work full time, will I cope with the hours. At least with term time, I would get holidays to recover in.

Plus I will keep bidding on free lance work and see if I can build that up too.

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TheBoots · 24/01/2019 19:13

I've not RTFT entirely, but have you considered working in pharma? Clinical trials etc. Medical communication companies and CROs often need statisticians and can offer good flexible working options like working from home. Just an idea!