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To have concerns about going back to work (long post)

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BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 12:06

Warning extremely long post

I had a couple of career jobs in my 20's. Stayed at home in my 30's raising our family. Now in my 40's it is time to work again.

I have some concerns about returning to work and a couple of questions regarding child care.

Child care questions first.

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to leave a 10yo, 8yo and 6yo to lock up the house and walk 10 minutes to primary school together in the morning and return home together after school to wait home together but without adult supervision until a parent returns. They already do this walk with me daily. 8yo and 10yo sometimes walk back from school on their own.

I think we would have to pay for school wrap around care for all three children. As 6yo and 8yo are too young to be on their own and the 10yo is very anxious child and gets very frightened if they are ever left alone, even to sleep or visit the bathroom.

1. Do we need to pay for wrap around school care for the three younger children ?

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to get the 12yo to watch the 10yo, 8yo and 6yo all day in the school holidays whilst we both work. 12yo would also have to serve a simple cold lunch and get snacks and drinks out.

I think we would have to pay for holiday care for the youngest two at the very minimum. As 10yo would probably be OK with 12yo during the day.

2. Do we need to pay for holiday care for the youngest two/three ?

Now the work concerns

I have not formally worked for a decade, but have volunteered for a few things during this time. However I still have a working brain and I am more than capable of finding work and actually doing a job day to day.

In fact the thought of working with adults is appealing to me, to do work that matters rather than the endless grind of housework. All things being equal, I look forward to returning to work. However I was planning to wait until the youngest was in high school and my DH wants me to go back now...hence looking into practicalities now.

My main concern is that I won't be able to turn a profit. My last job was well paid, however as I need a local job and a short commute (because of health issues) there isn't much choice locally. I will likely end up in a minimum wage no promotion type job.

I need to balance this new income against one off costs (work clothes and a pair of shoes), work related costs (petrol/parking), child care costs AND taking into account the loss of child tax credits (removed at a sliding scale depending on my new income) and loss of PIP (which I suspect will be removed the moment I return to work, even though in theory PIP is not related to work, in reality it usually is)

I need this combination to come out with a positive number. Of course if I found a term time or school hours job that would be a lot easier to do, but nothing around here at the minute. So looking at full time hours jobs.

I know there will be comments about how childcare costs need to be taken out of DH's wage too. But in reality his wage already covers all monthly expenses with a tiny amount left over. Simply speaking, if my wage can't cover all my new costs plus turn a profit, it is not feasible.

My DH has ruled out evening or weekend work, as he doesn't want to be stuck in with the children whilst I work. Which is a shame, as this would be the easiest way to turn a profit. I will talk to him again, as I think this is the best solution.

Night work would be very hard for me, as I need to use my cpap machine a minimum of six hours a night in order to be compliant and keep my driving license.

So I am looking at week day work.

I am worried that my ill health will make holding a job down difficult.

My bowel disease means that I need access to a toilet at all times and that access has to be spontaneous, as I might only have a minute to get there. I can not finish a phone call or finish serving a customer, I need a job that I can excuse myself and visit the ladies as and when I need to.

It also means I have periods of a few days a month when I can't leave the bathroom in the morning and would near the flexibility to start work late on these days.

I also have a yearly review and every three years I have a colonoscopy. So would need time off for that stuff too.

I am on a medical diet to reduce IBS symptoms (in addition to my other bowel issue), which means I always have to eat my own food and need somewhere to store, reheat, eat food. This should be an easy one to sort out, as I carry my own food with me as standard.

My Under Active Thyroid requires regular blood tests and medicine updates to get my levels right. This is partially why I am so exhausted all the time. Probably only need two gp appointments every three months. One for bloods, one for results.

My hearing issues are mild, I wear aid in my hearing impaired ear but not in my deaf one, I can lipread. I find noisy environments very difficult to deal with and clearly struggle to hear at some times. But honestly this has never affected my work much.

Beyond people failing to get my attention sometimes and I prefer to confirm everything in a email to check I haven't misheard anything (which is sensible for everyone to do).

Sleep Apnoea adds to my tiredness and I use a cpap machine overnight in order to keep my driving license.

I am temporarily having balance issues, I am falling over more and dropping things a fair bit. But I am confident this will go away, maybe I need some exercises to do. I have a Neurology Appointment next month, hopefully it will rule out the nasties and I will get a sheet of exercises to strengthen my legs and grip.

My bowel disease and my hearing impairment are classed as disabilities but I don't consider myself to be disabled.

My DH thinks I am disabled and I should tell potential employers upfront and I am more likely to get a guarantee interview this way too. But I am concerned my issues would put them off employing me. However it would give me a chance to explain in person, how I am a good worker, despite a few health issues. So I am very undecided on this point.

I am unsure when/if I would tell an employee about my health issues. Before interview, after I start work, if it starts affecting my job ?

3. Do work need to know about my health issues ? If so when do you mention it ?

4. Will work allow me time off for regular medical appointments?

I am concerned that DH has made it clear that he can not help with the children's clubs, illness, homework. As he works long hours a good distance away.

In particularly I need to cover 12yo brace appointments every three months and 6yo speech therapy appointments one hour weekly.

5. Will work allow me time off for regular children medical appointments? Or how else do I get children to these appointments?

Currently there are also a beavers, cubs, dance, scouts and gymnastic evening clubs outside school. Plus a couple of after school clubs too.
I usually parent and ferry children around between 3.30pm and 8pm (latest one 9.30pm) every evening.

6. But if I work full time and need to fit homework, tea, bath in for the kids, I assume they will have to quit all these clubs. Or do I get a taxi to run them there, whilst I parent the other children ? How do other people do this ?

My DH has already said that he can not take time off to cover children illness, it is up to me to cover it all. Luckily only the 6yo is ill often and I am confident that this will improve in time. I am guessing I will need maximum 6 days a year to cover D&V bugs, hopefully a lot less.

7. Will work allow me time off when kids are ill ? What are the alternatives ?

I am concerned that I simply will not be able to cope doing everything that I do now and work 40 hours on top of it
However I know plenty of women do it and therefore there is no reason I shouldn't try.

But I am so exhausted already and I don't know how I am going find the extra energy I need. Already at home, I can not sit down from 3pm onwards as I will fall asleep, even if talking to someone or doing paperwork. The doctor said that is normal for parents, so I just have to KOKO.

Despite all these worries, if I can address all the above concerns and bring in some much needed money into the house, I would be delighted.

On the plus note, I want to earn my own money, help support our family, maybe save up for a family holiday. I want to stop living on such a tight budget, where so many things are simply beyond our means. It would be great to know that when something breaks we would have the money there to to fix it.

But what if I make everything so much worse for me and the kids. What if I work full time and bring in a small amount of money or nothing. I am worried that the kids will spend all their time alone or at school, have to cancel their clubs and not see their friends, so I can work for no profit.

I am definitely going back to work but I planned to get all the kids into high school first, to reduce child care costs. I just think with three in primary school this is going to be hard.

Any positive advice welcome.

I am feeling better now my concerns are written down. Hopefully I will get some good pointers from here and I can work down my list, eliminating my concerns.

Ps. Congratulations for reading this far !

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BackToWorkAgain · 21/01/2019 10:16

Dragongirl10
I am on the people per hour website at the moment and there are a quite a few jobs on there I could do but every job has loads of people offering to do the job already. I wonder how they choose. I will have a serious look tomorrow and start trying for jobs, after I get this application form off.

Another thought is I could make my own flyer outlining what I can do and post though all the small local businesses and the private business park with small business offices. I might be able to drum up some free lance work locally.

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NoSquirrels · 21/01/2019 10:22

I will get school holidays with the children, that will be my leisure time

That's NOT leisure time, because you'll be parenting. And it's not regular enough to allow you to

You. Will. Get. More. Sick.

I'm not sure WHY you're not pushing this point hard with your DH.

OK, your finances are cut to the bone and you share everything decision-wise on that front. Great.

But it will be easier for him to look for another job, closer to home, than it will to have a full-time job with a ridiculous commute on top of a home life that is falling apart because the stress of trying to fit it all in with 4 kids and a partner with health issues.

He could save £25 a week easily in petrol/diesel/wear and tear on the car...

Just because he thinks it's going to be better with your £100 a month doesn't mean YOU have to earn that if it is not practical.

Also - why are you dismissing the freelance/WFH option so easily? It could make you much more than £500 per month. And be a lot lower stress than a term time job with a tight turnaround time to get the DC from school, and all the juggling that entails.

Tell him to post on here.

BackToWorkAgain · 21/01/2019 10:53

"Also - why are you dismissing the freelance/WFH option so easily?"
I am not dismissing it. I am joining people per hour and will be bidding on jobs as soon as I have finished my application form.

I think I have managed to track down details of my last job...I have been speaking to HR who have no record of me as it was over 12 years ago. But a lovely lady is going to dig out the files for me and check year I joined. So they will be one reference for me. I will ask my friend if she will give me a personal reference for me.
That gives me all the details I need to make an up to date CV.

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LannieDuck · 21/01/2019 11:02

You're a statistician. You'll make more money using your data skills than working as a receptionist.

Have you spoken to any recruiters yet? They really are crying out for analysts. And if you take on freelance wfh contracts, you could flexi around school hours.

A google search for analyst recruitment agencies gives loads, e.g.:

www.datatech.org.uk/
www.weareaspire.com/data-analytics

Then I tried indeed.com:
www.indeed.co.uk/Freelance-Analyst-jobs

Click on any of the jobs on indeed and follow the links back to the agency. You'll be able to see if the agency looks like it has the sort of work you could do.

Call them up and have a conversation about your situation. See what they say. It may not all be positive - maybe your skills need refreshing, or maybe you don't have the right statistical software package experience.... but it's also possible that they have some entry-level work that would get you back up to speed.

LannieDuck · 21/01/2019 11:03

(I should add that a lot of the freelance jobs on indeed won't be wfh, but that's why you need to speak to the agencies to see if they have anything to suit you.)

BackToWorkAgain · 21/01/2019 11:11

LannieDuck
Thank you. I will follow up your suggestions.

I am happy to retrain, start at the bottom. I know my skills are out of date. If it is work from home then I don't have any childcare issues, anything is worth doing.

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MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 21/01/2019 11:16

He replied that with childcare costs I can't work and looked so sad

OP, is it possible that your financial situation is more serious than your DH is letting on? It just seems odd to me that he is so fixated on you going back to work FT that he would be willing to let a 12yo take on responsibility for the younger ones, which is really quite reckless. It smacks of desperation to me. Is it possible he's hiding debt from you? Do you actually know how much he earns?

Like pp, I am struggling to understand why your DH won't entertain the idea of looking for a more local job and is willing to put up with a long commute, inflexible hours and being on call for a job that doesn't seem to pay very well despite him having been promoted. Something just doesn't add up.

BasinHaircut · 21/01/2019 11:44

I find the choice of words here a bit strange.

It seems to be all about ‘my HUSBAND thinks I NEED TO WORK’

Rather than ‘WE have realised that WE NEED MORE MONEY coming into the household’

I know that the most obvious solution in theory is that if one person doesn’t work then they go back to work, but in practice this doesn’t seem to be the best choice for your family as there are other options, including your DH getting a job closer to home that commands a slightly higher salary.

If £100 a month is all you need to get by then he only needs to earn about £2k more a year than he currently does, or maybe even less if he can reduce commuting costs.

In reality if you are working 30 hours a week for an increased household income of £100, I guarantee that you may even end up worse off as I find that you spend more on groceries and convenience when you have less time to run the home. For a family of 6 I can see easily how that will happen simply due to having less time to budget and meal plan.

ChariotsofFish · 21/01/2019 11:46

If you’re willing to do all that for £25 a week just get a paper round. Take kids with you.

Or your DH could act like a grown up and get a better job closer to home.

bibliomania · 21/01/2019 12:07

With your skillset, is there any option to do some self-employed work from home, writing project funding proposals? I'm thinking small local charities/community organisations, that kind of thing. Sorry for being woolly, but I've worked for small organisations that don't have a lot of in-house expertise but would benefit from this.

I'd make a list of possible targets and start making enquiries about whether there is a demand for such a service.

bibliomania · 21/01/2019 12:08

To answer your original question, no, it's not fair or appropriate to leave the 12-year in charge of the younger children on a regular basis.

SEsofty · 21/01/2019 13:51

Agree if it’s really only £100 a month would make more sense to do a couple of evenings in a bar etc

SEsofty · 21/01/2019 13:56

He really needs to look for a new job too.

TulipsInbloom1 · 21/01/2019 14:06

He would save more per month working locally than you would save working.

schopenhauer · 21/01/2019 14:13

This whole situation is basically his fault for having a shitty job where he has to be on call, work miles and miles away, long hours AND earn crap money. Why is he doing that? Is it so he can check out of any parenting? I really don’t know why he isn’t just trying to get a decent job rather than forcing you out to work when you have all your health issues and four kids to look after.

Having said that if you can get some freelance/work from home opportunities that sounds like a good thing to do, both for you (sense of achievement, keeping up your skills etc) and for the family finances WITHOUT making your health worse and tiring you out.

BackToWorkAgain · 21/01/2019 14:14

Sigh, my last job has no records about me. As I stopped working for them 12 years ago. So I have no work reference to put down. Well I will still put them down as my last job but they will not be able to get confirmation of my job role.

The nice lady at HR is looking into any employment files they might have archived. Let's hope they find mine.

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BackToWorkAgain · 21/01/2019 14:16

His job is decent, but he is supporting 6 people...It is a lot for one wage to cope with.

He tried previously to get work locally but couldn't get anything suitable.

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SEsofty · 21/01/2019 14:19

But his commute must cost an absolute fortune.

BackToWorkAgain · 21/01/2019 14:23

It does cost a lot in fuel but he says the job is worth it. A local job would pay less.

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SEsofty · 21/01/2019 14:29

Really is that the case or does he just like the job?

You both need to discuss as a family how you can change the current situation to have more money coming in

And if you get physically worse you will end up having to pay for practical help with the house and the children which will make things even worse

ChipsAreLife · 21/01/2019 14:29

Has he spoken to his manager and asked about a pay rise? If he's not had much in ten years he's entitled to at least ask!

TwitterLovesMAPs · 21/01/2019 14:42

My DH has a job with a similar commute. It was hell for a year because he was simply never home. After a year he negotiated working from home two days a week. Not only is it great to have him around but it also saves money on the petrol for his commute. Might your husband’s employers consider something similar? (I bet if you ask him he will say ‘no’ without even looking into it.)

haverhill · 21/01/2019 14:44

You could work one night shift in a supermarket for more than £25.
You going back to work 'properly' is fraught with problems and likely to only give you very little extra money after the essential childcare your younger children need.
It sounds very much like you are being guilt-tripped and bullied back to work in untenable circumstances.
Agree with PP - either he needs to get a much closer job or accept how impractical his solution is.

TwitterLovesMAPs · 21/01/2019 14:46

Also, I’ll add that I now work full time and have three children - two in school, one in nursery. The logistics and organisation of pick ups and drop offs all fall to me and it is a massive, complicated ball ache. It tires me out and pisses me off and I absolutely would not put myself through all the additional hassle and faff for a measly £100 a month. And I am fit an healthy. I can’t imagine how much harder it would be if I had a disability.

Do it if you must but I anticipate that it will affect your health so much it won’t be sustainable and you’ll soon be back at square one, but worse off because your health will be worse. What will your DH do then? Make it your eldest child’s problem probably.

pandoraphile · 21/01/2019 14:47

Op - check peopleperhour.com. I'm a freelancer (different skill set) and I've managed to work up to earning around £400/week. Solely from home, I never need to go anywhere.