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Daughter kicked off bus aibu

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user1471461798 · 16/01/2019 19:59

Just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on this was? 17 year old daughter dropped off at the bus stop at 6.44 this morning, she had lost her lanyard with her bus pass on, so was going into college to get a temporary pass, we knew it was at home somewhere. Got on, sat down, the bus driver then asked to see everyone’s pass.. Doesn’t do this every day- specific bus only for her college.( 1st stop in the morning, last stop at night). obviously she didn’t have it, explained and he told her to get off the bus, she asked if she could just go to college and get a temporary pass. ( I know this is true as her friend told her mother the same ).

She then had to walk over a mile in the dark and rain, We had all left for work. also she has a broken arm, so had to carry bags as well. We have asked for an explanation from both the bus company and college, no reply from coach, but college have said the driver was correct!
I feel the coach company had a duty of care to make sure she was safe. What is everyone’s thoughts please?
Maybe a while getting back to everyone, going to the cinema now😊

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TheLittleDogLaughed · 23/01/2019 16:24

marcopront there are four students who take this bus every day. The day before he asked the same girl about how she had broken her arm. He has seen her pass every day. This isn't the London Underground.

marcopront · 23/01/2019 17:14

marcopront there are four students who take this bus every day. The day before he asked the same girl about how she had broken her arm. He has seen her pass every day. This isn't the London Underground.

A) I am pretty sure it is 4 students at the first stop and more get on.

B) So the inspector should just believe the driver that she has a pass?

TheLittleDogLaughed · 23/01/2019 17:36

marcopront but you've just made the whole inspector thing up! If there were regular inspectors then he'd ask kids for their passes every day. The fact that he was slack about asking to see them shows that there probably isn't an inspector. The OP said he did this with dd to make an example of her.

Do specially laid on college buses need inspectors?

Why are people so hellbent on scraping the barrel to excuse the bus driver of his awful behaviour?

Guavaf1sh · 23/01/2019 17:51

YABU

GySgtHartman · 23/01/2019 17:52

Why are people so hellbent on scraping the barrel to excuse the bus driver of his awful behaviour?

Why are people so hellbent on picking and choosing which rules the driver should adhere to?

marcopront · 23/01/2019 17:58

@TheLittleDogLaughed

I do actually think the driver was in the wrong but I also think the girl was in the wrong.

Why wouldn't a company who runs college buses want to make sure everyone who was on the bus had paid?

If you had read my earlier post, you would see I had suggested the inspector was a new thing because of the driver (and maybe others) being slack.

Claudia1980 · 23/01/2019 18:04

Yanbu I would be furious. He could have easily said that’s fine, just show me the pass tomorrow. He was being a prick. No luckily nothing did happen to your daughter but it’s less than ideal to be walking alone and in the dark at 17. And if something had happened to her, you can bet he would lose his job, feel terrible and the school would undoubtedly change their policy.

FrancisCrawford · 23/01/2019 18:07

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TheLittleDogLaughed · 23/01/2019 19:35

Claudia1980 thank you.

macropront but the fact is that the girl is just turned 17 with a broken arm of just a few days. Presumably the driver is an adult male with a few years work experience. I know who I'd give my sympathy to.

TheLittleDogLaughed · 23/01/2019 19:38

GySgtHartman I have no idea if you have a teenage daughter or not but if you did, you would not be backing the behaviour of the driver unless you were a bit unhinged or at the least uncaring.

mathanxiety · 23/01/2019 19:42

Blimey, we have an inspector now Shock

How can you be sure he's not the knife wielding boy, cunningly disguised?

BoneyBackJefferson · 23/01/2019 19:47

mathanxiety

The inspector appeared about half way through the thread.

TheLittleDogLaughed · 23/01/2019 20:14

mathanxiety 😂😂😂

mathanxiety · 23/01/2019 20:34

FC

Math "There is absolutely no reason for the school to do the admin of bus pass money at any time other than at the beginning of the month"
FC There is absolutely no reason for them to do at all. Because that is up to the bus company. You don’t travel on buses in the U.K. very often, do you?

Au contraire, there are all sorts of practical reasons for the college to handle payments.

We know the college keeps track of who has passes because they can issue temp ones, so there is no reason not to assume the college does the selling of the passes too. A college could not possibly issue a temp pass if they did not have any idea who had a paid up pass.

Since the route the DD travels is only for college students it makes perfect sense for the college to handle payments, thus ensuring that passes and student ID numbers can be matched, and therefore only students at the college can get a pass. Otherwise students would have to provide some college ID to the bus company, which would lead to a potential compromise of the security of the college ID number. If the bus company handles the payment and issues the passes then the driver should have been able to check if a pass was in good standing.

I prefer to use my own experience of nearly 50 years of using buses and bus passes in the UK. Plus my DDs more recent experience as a school child, a student and now a worker.
All on dedicated services and not public buses, I presume?

Because I and other family members of mine have extensive experience of dedicated bus services in the UK and other countries, and normally details of ID and payment can most easily be co-ordinated by the institution that contracts with the bus service (be it school, college, healthcare facility, airport, or whatever). In fact, it is often the case with schools that the route and number of buses required are only determined when the final numbers and home locations for travel for the term can be established.

Quite often - at least among the schools where children of friends and relatives of mine attend, in the London area and in the environs of York - the dedicated bus service pass is the institution ID, meaning that the pass/ID is an incontrovertible photo ID, and in addition, students can buy voucher books for a fixed price from the school and use individual vouchers for a one way fare.

...your question is irrelevant because if yiu read OPs posts you will see that she pays monthly. So all your angst about yearly passes is irrelevant in this case
My 'angst' was in response to your poorly thought out statement that only one bus pass was issued in the year. There is a difference between angst and contradiction.
She does indeed pay monthly. Thank you.

'Monthly' being a word with a specific meaning that is not equivalent to 'every four weeks'.
If college starts on the 12th of September, then the student will have a pass starting on that day for a month (whether that is 30 days or 31 days or a calendar month - these things will be decided by the bus company). Therefore a new pass is required on the 12th of December for the remainder of the term. When going back to college, the pass is still valid for the first week or so and then a new pass is needed

Logic and experience of dedicated bus services fail here.
I have already explained this you you but will now do so again.
A dedicated bus service will normally have an annual bill for service that can be broken into monthly payment increments that are equal, regardless of how many school days the month has. Payments may even be spread over 12 months.

I suspect you are confusing public services with the dedicated service for the college students.

mathanxiety · 23/01/2019 20:36

The inspector appeared about half way through the thread.

Sorry, I must have been wiping my eyes.

BoneyBackJefferson · 23/01/2019 22:42

you would be better off removing the blinders.

TheLittleDogLaughed · 23/01/2019 23:19

What if The Inspector was inspecting how well the bus driver for the college bus was working to ensure the safety of the kids on their route to college?

Driver = sacked.

FrancisCrawford · 23/01/2019 23:34

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GySgtHartman · 24/01/2019 02:51

The inspector appeared about half way through the thread.

But like the rapist that only exists in this thread.

You seen determined to discount every other possibility. An assault on the bus? As ridiculous as a lion with a bus pass. An inspector? Impossible. Bus pass revoked for some reason? Ridiculous. Driver had been warned or already disciplined? Fucking stupid suggestion.

However the girl was lucky, nay it was a miracle that she got home without being raped. If this all happens again she'll definitely be found in a ditch. I mean the bushes are just packed with rapists ready to pounce. In every car lurks a violent sex offender. Why is this the only possible outcome you will discuss?

It's your entire argument in a nut shell. Shout rape and ridicule any other possibility.

GySgtHartman · 24/01/2019 03:49

II suppose that it is also possible that the insurance policy states that all passengers must show a pass.

But I suppose that this is also ridiculous.

marcopront · 24/01/2019 04:02

When I was at school, there was enough of us who lived far enough away from the school that a bus was laid on just for us. It was an ordinary bus and apart from the journey to and from school would take paying passengers.
We had bus passes and inspectors would get on and check occasionally.

I was assuming a similar set up.

However what ever the set up @mathanxiety can you explain why the idea of the company who runs this bus checking that everyone traveling on the bus has paid is ridiculous?
If travel company trust their drivers why do inspectors exist?

marcopront · 24/01/2019 04:12

macropront but the fact is that the girl is just turned 17 with a broken arm of just a few days. Presumably the driver is an adult male with a few years work experience. I know who I'd give my sympathy to.

You can have more sympathy for the the girl but it doesn't mean she has no responsibility and the Mum has no responsibility. She could have said "just check it is OK you haven't got your pass when you get on the bus".
Responsibility is not all or nothing it can be shared.

mathanxiety · 24/01/2019 07:21

It is perfectly possible for a monthly bus pass to expire in the middle of the month, no matter how much you want to try to argue against this.

You really are wrong on this
And It makes you look silly when you are wrong. Which you are.

Math Monthly does not mean 'every four weeks'.
Math A dedicated bus service will normally have an annual bill for service that can be broken into monthly payment increments that are equal, regardless of how many school days the month has

FC Not at all true in the U.K.
You are making things up.

Nope. Unless my friends and relatives are lying to me, and why would they do that...

www.dwightlondon.org/school-life/transport
Door to door bus service is contracted out and costs £970 per year, payable to the school through the 'WisePay' account.

stgeorgesweybridge.com/further-information/transport/school-buses---frequently-asked-questions
Operates their own buses and also contracts services.
Sign up is through the school's payment portal.

Just a few examples. I can find more if you wish.

In short, you are wrong, and you have managed to make yourself look silly.
Of course a bus service can have the college handle payments. I have already explained the advantages upthread.

bruffin · 24/01/2019 07:36

It is perfectly possible for a monthly bus pass to expire in the middle of the month, no matter how much you want to try to argue against this.
Of course it is.
My dcs monthly train pass never started 1st month. It started when the term started.

All this going on about a 17 yr old girl not being safe. I have dd 21 and ds 23 and i suspect teen boys are more at risk from street crime than girls.

mathanxiety · 24/01/2019 07:37

This is a dedicated bus service, Brufin, not the public bus and not a train.