Daughter kicked off bus aibu

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Just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on this was? 17 year old daughter dropped off at the bus stop at 6.44 this morning, she had lost her lanyard with her bus pass on, so was going into college to get a temporary pass, we knew it was at home somewhere. Got on, sat down, the bus driver then asked to see everyone’s pass.. Doesn’t do this every day- specific bus only for her college.( 1st stop in the morning, last stop at night). obviously she didn’t have it, explained and he told her to get off the bus, she asked if she could just go to college and get a temporary pass. ( I know this is true as her friend told her mother the same ).

She then had to walk over a mile in the dark and rain, We had all left for work. also she has a broken arm, so had to carry bags as well. We have asked for an explanation from both the bus company and college, no reply from coach, but college have said the driver was correct!
I feel the coach company had a duty of care to make sure she was safe. What is everyone’s thoughts please?
Maybe a while getting back to everyone, going to the cinema now😊

mathanxiety she wasn't raped, mugged, run over, abducted, or any number of other things. Yet they've been in the discussion.

You would have blamed the driver of anything happened to her. I was no the first one to go down the "what if" route.

I imagine that animals are not allowed on the bus TheLittleDogLaughed but you did give me a good laugh imagining it.

mathanxiety

A completely irrelevant remark.

A lot of the remarks on here have been completely irrelevant. This seems to be your way of shutting people down

(sigh) what a nasty thread this has turned into. Shame on you, you know who you are.
OP, can I suggest you ask both the college and the bus company to provide you with a copy of their policy on duty of care.
And, to those who think they they don't need to read the thread before commenting - it's a mile from home to bus stop, it's a 90 minute bus journey from there to college, it's a private bus just to college, fares are prepaid, and no fares can be paid on the bus. Bus driver announced to remaining passengers that that would teach them not to forget their lanyards. Nobody was raped. Nobody got on the bus and attacked the other passengers. But OPs daughter had to walk back home at 7am in the dark with a broken arm in a player cast, and her college bags. And it has been ascertained that it was indeed dark at that time. HTH.

pickingdaisies no lion on the bus then?

YABU.

The bus driver has a duty of care to no one, you should have taken her to college, especially with a broken arm.

I can see why you didn't think it would be an issue but this one's on you.

Gy They have featured in the discussion because all of those things could have happened.

Bringing up an imaginary boy who stabs the rest of the passengers is completely irrelevant, and actually farcical.
And possession of a lanyard is no guarantee that this imaginary boy wouldn't stab the others either, is it?

Ridiculous.

If you are trying to assert that a red herring is relevant in some way, I am interested to know exactly how, BoneyBack.

Also interested in how you think ad hominem remarks advance our understanding of the topic...

So the girl be raped is possible but a stabbing on the bus is impossible?
How do we define what is possible?

The other relevant information is that this is a pass that is paid for monthly, so there is always the possibility it had run out and not been renewed. The bus driver can hardly be expected to have an eidetic memory.

All he has to remember is what date it is, FrancisCrawford. The pass is paid for at the beginning of the month.

The incident happened bang in the middle of the month. There really isn't much to keep track of. Most people are aware of what day of the month it is.

The pass is paid for at the beginning of the month.

Where are we told every student pays at the beginning of the month?

Marco
So the girl be raped is possible but a stabbing on the bus is impossible?
How do we define what is possible?

Nobody said it was impossible.
What was stated is that the possibility is irrelevant because possession of a lanyard does not rule out the simultaneous possibility of possession of a knife and homicidal intent, and because the boy with a knife scenario did not happen.

We don't need to define what is possible because most of us possess common sense.

The girl being raped is a possibility, given that it was dark, she was alone, she had a broken arm and was laden with bags.

Also possible on a dark, rainy morning is being hit by a car, if she had to walk on a stretch of road with no footpaths or if she was wearing dark clothing.

mathanxiety
If you are trying to assert that a red herring is relevant in some way, I am interested to know exactly how

I could ask the same of you, as most of your points are red herrings, irrelevant or strawman arguments, as you like to state them as if they were relevant.

Again, wrt payment timing, use common sense, Marco and FrancisCrawford.

You don’t have to start a bus pass at the beginning of the month, it can start at any date you wish. If college starts in the third week of September, you are hardly going to pay for the first two weeks when yiu are not travelling.

The fact she had a pass on X date is no guarantee that she still has a valid pass on Y date. The only way to check this is to see the actual pass.

No matter what way you slice it, in the specific month of January this driver could have assumed that a pass that was shown him a few days previously was good for a month.

Because why would the month include the Christmas holiday?

Use of the term 'month' in relation to payment in advance normally indicates a calendar month unless we are talking about some sort of parallel universe.
Oh and I do pay 70.00 a month for her pass. You can only pay by direct debit or all in one go.

An argument is not a straw man just because you disagree with it, Boney.

If you are trying to suggest the boy with a knife scenario is relevant, I am all ears.

The pass is actually paid for one month in front, E.g. I paid the 1st payment in August, she started September, I don’t pay in July as the payments cover July. Everybody who pays monthly pays that way or pays in one go. The coach company must know how it works, not sure if the driver does though!

mathanxiety
An argument is not a straw man just because you disagree with it,

It would be worth you remembering this as well.

mathanxiety
If you are trying to suggest the boy with a knife scenario is relevant, I am all ears.

Its as relevant as the rape scenario.

Exactly @BoneyBackJefferson - both the same.

He only has 4 regular passengers. Not so hard to remember who they are.

Ok let's stick to relevant facts.

A passenger got on a bus and failed to show proof of entitlement when requested to do so by the driver.

Age, sex, time of day, what the driver did yesterday or will do tomorrow are all irrelevant.

How far the passenger has to walk home or to the destination, irrelevant.

The only other relevant fact I see is the college policy and the transport operators policy. Which is unclear, and it seems they each didn't know the others policy.

I'm willing to bet that on her pass there are time t&c that day something to the effect that the pass must be shown on request.

There you go, no straw man arguments, no whataboutery just relevance.

@Mathanxiety well done on invoking Godwins law earlier, but also irrelevant too.

They have featured in the discussion because all of those things could have happened

I live in London, violence on public transport is common.

Your message is loud and clear though your imaginary attacker could have existed and mine simply could not have. Your imaginary attacker is a relevant part of this conversation. I've just taken a flight of fancy.