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PIL disowning DH for double-barrelling our surnames

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doublebarrelled · 09/01/2019 09:57

NC as outing (spoken to a few friends & family about this) and I shall not drip feed (intentionally anyway!)

Anyway…

2 years ago, just before I gave birth to our DS, (now) DH & I discussed about how we would give DS a double-barrelled surname as that is what we would likely do when we marry. This certainly came up in conversation with the PIL and they did not cause a fuss about it.

For background, DH was the one who wanted to double-barrel as he believed that his surname with my name sounded stupid (tbf it does sound a bit odd) and he liked the sound of our two names together. At the registering of DS, I checked he still wanted to double-barrel as I was happy just to give DS his name with the view, we could either a) change all our names later or b) that I would take his name.

Fast forward to the 6th January. DH is in hospital with suspected meningitis, he has the rash on his limbs and is finding it hard to stay conscious. MIL looks through his medical notes (she works in the hospital and has a good understanding of medical stuff, she has actually been really useful to have around for my medical issues when I have had to go into hospital) and she notices that DH’s surname has been double-barrelled.

She then proceeds to have a hissy fit at DH, who cannot do much but lay there, and then texts shockingly at me too. Previous to this she had already text me how she feels DH is ill because he works too hard and I must take care of him more. DH & I work just as hard as each other and actually had a super chilled festive break!

(Just an FYI, DH doesn’t have meningitis but is still ill, he has been discharged but still under consultant care as he is having extreme headaches and is passing out)

Monday, PIL try telling DH & I that we have illegally NC our surnames by double-barrelling them without deed-poll and even then it is a dangerous game to double-barrel as most places will not recognise us. When we explain to them that we have actually changed our name everywhere bar our passports they then have a full fit about how DH is going to be in serious trouble with the law.

Yesterday, DH gets a text saying that MIL has booked all our tickets to France and just a reminder to transfer money across. We are super grateful she booked it up for us as means we all shall be able to sit together on the Eurotunnel and makes sense for us all to travel together.

But it suddenly occurs to DH that MIL might not have booked our tickets as our actual double-barrelled name… He was correct! She bloomin booked them under their surname! So now our tickets will be invalid as they will be in the wrong name!

MIL states she booked them in our actual names as stated on our birth certificates and that our passports will be rejected as no one can actually double-barrel their names unless its by deed-poll and even that is tricky and even then, men are not allowed to change their surname!

BIL then gets involved (he lives with PIL still) and states that we are both wrong, legally and ethically.

FIL then snatches the phone and tells DH that unless the double-barrel name goes then he will be disowned from the family!

DH then throws his phone across the room and cries (never seen him like that ever, but think with him being in so much pain from the headache issue and the horrid statement from his Dad I cant be surprised!)

I have always wondered if PIL actually likes me being part of DH’s life. I recall when MIL cried to DH that she didn’t like how another woman has replaced her and she isn’t happy with the life he now has (this was a couple months after I gave birth to DS). MIL always tells DH to only have DS with me and no other children, she cried when she found out we were having #2 and when that ended in MMC she was very “ah well that was for the best”.

I told DH that he shouldn’t take it personally. That PIL aren’t really choosing their pride or name over their love for him and it is probably just misplaced love / jealously / hurt ?

What would you do in this situation? AIBU to not want us to change our surnames again to make PIL happy? AIBU to think we have changed our surname legally by getting married?

OP posts:
SassitudeandSparkle · 09/01/2019 10:11

But you told her you hadn't changed your passports, OP, so she booked them in the passport names!

When we explain to them that we have actually changed our name everywhere bar our passports

Why didn't he tell them he was changing his name?

AutumnCrow · 09/01/2019 10:12

So just to clear, you go by double-barrelled name, A; your passport is in your birth surname, B; and your Eurostar ticket is in your husband's birth surname, C? Or is that wrong??

The in-laws sound unhinged, but you do need to sort your passports out for travelling.

At least you won't be travelling with them now.

Firesuit · 09/01/2019 10:13

They seem to be very sure of facts that 5 seconds on Google prove to be wrong.

You do not have to follow a legal process to start using a new name. But you might need a ‘deed poll’ to apply for or to change official documents like your passport or driving licence.

www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll

RandomMess · 09/01/2019 10:13

They are completely and utterly batshit!

You do need to get a deed poll to go double barrelled on your passport though as I recently looked into this...

WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit · 09/01/2019 10:13

They are batshit crazy Grin

RandomMess · 09/01/2019 10:14

I wouldn't be going on holiday with them btw so the passport issue is irrelevant for the time being!

HermioneWeasley · 09/01/2019 10:15

They sound bonkers.

I suggest DH sends them a short, factual letter/email along the lines of “decision we’ve taken, partnership of equals, expect you to respect that and Double. I note your comment that I am disowned, if you change your mind and want to have any relationship with us as a family then you know where we are”

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 09/01/2019 10:15

If you still want to go anywhere with them, then the ticket names need to be changed. Do NOT change your names back to how they were, that's utter madness. It's nice to hear that your DH was happy to do it in the first place tbh! I didn't change mine and people occasionally Hmm at me. I ignore them Grin

namechangedtoday15 · 09/01/2019 10:15

Ignoring all the rest your MIL was correct. You cannot travel if your passport and tickets don't have the same name.

And you cant change the name on your passport without going through the formal procedure to change your name.

AutumnCrow · 09/01/2019 10:15

So what evidence did you send the passport office, OP?

Coffeethrowtrampbitch · 09/01/2019 10:17

Please block them, at least until dp is better.

I've had meningitis symptoms caused by an auto immune condition and it was utterly horrible. The pain is beyond belief and the drugs they give you make you feel very emotionally vulnerable.

He is not equipped to deal with this level of crazy at the moment, so I would look after him by blocking them all and then decide what to do about the relationship together once he is better.

In Scotland it is perfectly legal to change your name as long as there is no intent to deceive. I don't know about the rest of the UK but they are definitely wrong that it is totally illegal to do!

NerdyBird · 09/01/2019 10:18

It sounds like PIL have booked all the tickets as DH surname, so even if the passports weren't changed, OP and DS would not have matching tickets, but DH would. Which based on your post about her crying about being replaced could have been her intention in the hopes you and DS would be left behind.

They sound awful. I would politely say, you are keeping the double-barrel and you therefore understand you are disowned and won't be going on holiday. Then block them on any communication medium and concentrate on your DH recovery.

doublebarrelled · 09/01/2019 10:18

Sorry I should have explained that PIL knew we are in middle of getting the passports updated though before booking! That was part of the convo on Monday!

TBH I am tempted to use this as an excuse not to go now...

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Lunde · 09/01/2019 10:19

I would back off a bit from your batshit PILs - do you really want to go on holiday with these people anyway? They sound controlling and awful. You can tell them that you cannot go as your passports are being changed to your new name.

Don't let them interfere - you and DH are adults and allowed to make your own decisions

ThePollutedShadesOfPemberley · 09/01/2019 10:19

Your MIL going batshit on her son when he was so ill would have me seriously thinking about having contact inthe future let alone all the rest of the totally cranky and OTT behaviour. With her being a healthcare professional this would have me even more concerned about her state of mind too. She is either lying to get what she wants or she is totally ignorant of the law regarding names etc. They all sound barmy and dangerous. Go cool for a good long while is my advice. Going on holiday with these people is not a good idea.

Mookatron · 09/01/2019 10:19

No way would I go on holiday with these people. They are fucking nuts. Imagine being so horrible to your son when he's so ill Shock

DameFanny · 09/01/2019 10:20

What gemmefatale said - your PILs have told you that they care more for their surname then they do for their son - and demonstrated that clearly when they attacked him while he was seriously ill in hospital.

Please don't take the holiday with them. Please get your poor DH some support. Have a look on the Stately Homes threads in Relationships for resources to deal with toxic parents.

SassitudeandSparkle · 09/01/2019 10:20

Did she not need the passport numbers to book, though?

ReflectentMonatomism · 09/01/2019 10:20

You cannot travel if your passport and tickets don't have the same name.

It's at discretion of the operator. It's mostly a thing that low-cost operators do to prevent arbitrage of tickets.

They don't have to check at all. They can choose to accept some level of mismatch. Ryanair might kick up a fuss over Sam/Samantha/Samuel, or over the presence or absence of middle names. Other airlines will be happy with a passport which is "obviously" yours, irrespective of detail differences. A ticket in Jane Smith-Doe and a passport in Jane Doe or Jane Smith? You'd probably be OK on Eurostar. On Eurotunnel (ie, the car service) do they even have the names of the accompanying passengers?

doublebarrelled · 09/01/2019 10:21

We just sent our marriage certificate off as evidence as stated all is needed on the .Gov website:

Send your marriage or civil partnership certificate when you apply for a passport in your new name - this includes double-barrelled names

www.gov.uk/changing-passport-information/name-marriage-and-civil-partnership

Oh, if we have done it wrong then no issue, we can easily Deed-Poll.

I suppose main issue here is that why are PIL kicking up a fuss now? It was mentioned when DS was being named, mentioned again when engaged and I am sure it was mentioned when we first got married?!

OP posts:
Justaboy · 09/01/2019 10:21

With that lot sounds like a "double barrelled" shotgun would be usefill

"Boom Boom"!!

TheFaerieQueene · 09/01/2019 10:22

Why would you want to go on holiday with these people anyway? I think you have had a lucky escape.

ReflectentMonatomism · 09/01/2019 10:22

Did she not need the passport numbers to book, though?

It's extremely rare to need passport numbers to book.

(Thinks: must add my passport number to some tickets I booked six months ago, as it's easier than doing it at checkin).

RandomMess · 09/01/2019 10:22

You can legally change your name to what you want but obtaining a UK passport without a deedpoll isn't possible according to the gov.uk website.

It can be difficult opening a bank account without deed poll due to money laundering, if you present your marriage certificate they usually accept you double barrelling. My double barrel surname isn't hyphenated and the bank won't let me drop the first one without a deed poll now 😂 I'm just staying as is until I get a passport despite being married 12 years!

DanglyBangly · 09/01/2019 10:23

You told her you hadn’t changed your passports so as booked the tickets correctly, by the sound of it. Or did you tell her you were in the process of changing them?