To think that the uk is a hostile environment for the natives aswell as for immigrants nowadays?

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Well the government have succeeded in one thing; making the uk a hostile place to live for most people what with cuts. Brexit etc. Is it just me or do things feel... tense?

Oh I miss understood this post ignored my comment lol

I think the way things are run is more frustrating than anything else because we could do better. In absolute terms, I agree with previous posters who point out that most other countries in the world have it worse. It's not a reason to let things slip over here though. I hate the ultra right vision of some politicians who would be happy to see inequalities increase.

I agree and whilst I do agree that cuts have contributed to the general pissed off feeling about, I think that the media is much more to blame. Constant sensationalist headlines and articles designed to divide us have been successful sadly.

Entitled millennials are whats wrong with the world; baby boomers ruined our future, remoaners can't stop whining, brexiteers are racist, refugees are rapists. this family is getting a fortune in benefits etc.

News (on both sides!) has for years been dripping with propaganda and turned people against each other.

Well, we get what we vote for op, we have nobody else to blame but ourselves.

Did someone stray from the path of righteousness earlier?

I don't think there's anything hostile about the uk

Scotland. Their leadership is far closer to where I thought we would be; almost modelling on scandi countries with free uni and prescriptions

The only way that Scotland can afford to do this is because England is bankrolling it! Scotland may shout loudly about independence, but the stark fact is that if they were to become independent they would go broke within a year. Scotland's generous socialism is only possible with either higher taxes (like in Scandinavia), or someone else picking up by the bill (yes, that's you and me in England).

For those that asked, there is a Scottish Rate of income tax which has more bands than the Rest of UK and a higher top rate www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-income-tax-2019-2020/

I do a job which has a national pay scale and pay more tax than someone doing the same job for the same pay south of the border.

But how many people are actually PAYING that higher rate TheNavigator and is it enough to pay for all those free uni places and free prescriptions? Scotland's finances don't add up, particularly after the price of North Sea gas tumbled.

Juneau - Scotland subsidised the rest of the uk for years with its oil and gas. They’ve paid a lot more than they get back.

OP, I totally agree.

I was remarking to my DD that people are getting 'scruffier' as well. Before anyone leaps on that, we're in Liverpool. We've been worsley effected by the cuts than anywhere and Universal Credit has been rolled out across the region.

There's a similar feeling in the air as in the 80's. People that I speak to are being worn down with it all.

People are scared of what's next. But these are people in the bottom rung of Society, Up North.

It depends on where you are, your income group, the people that you mix with. If you don't mix much out of work with lots of different people, you won't see it.

Our city wont recover easily, if at all. We've been conned over a hospital. Lost two works of Banksy's. Lost a lot of social housing, for the first time ever we have a housing crisis on top of unstable low wage employment and our services are being cut back, charities disappearing and we are selling off listed buildings and park/green space.

I can remember being in Kirkby over Christmas, just when all the factories shut (they were redirected Down South) and there was an air of depression over the place. I'm starting to feel that again. It went from 90% employed to 20% and in real terms, we are there again with an inadequate benefit system.

In recent years more money has been spent in Scotland than has been collected, whether or not you count money collected from the North Sea oil and gas industries.
This has also been the case over the last 18 years if you look at the revenue collected and money spent per person in Scotland.
At times scotland has collected more in total revenue, including that from the North Sea, than has been spent, however overall scotland has spent more then they've received in tax revenue from its citizens.

the proportion of Scotland’s revenue collected hasexceededits proportion of the UKpopulation, once North Sea revenue is included

Scotland’s total public sector revenue was just under£54 billionin 2015/16. That’s around 8% of the total revenue in the UK.In the same year the total public expenditure in Scotland was£69 billion. That’s around 9% of all public spending in the UK that year, so a greater proportion than the population.

YANBU Op

MrsMWA, yep let's compare ourselves to China.

Because thays what we want, or perhaps what many posters want, really cheap childcare/cleaners, so let's think ourselves lucky that we're not dying in the streets or being killed/dissappeared by those on charge.

I know there's a good few politicians that want us as desperate as Africans, so we will work under any conditions.

If you haven't noticed changes, open your eyes, or step out of your bubble.

Things are going to get very difficult for foreign nationals in the UK, regardless of if they are here legally or not.

The Scottish government are full of crap. Scotland is the least diverse part of the UK. They tell us that leaving the EU would be a disaster bit leaving the UK would be brilliant. Despite the inconvenient fact that Scotland also of course has free and far more voluminous trade with the UK.

But yes, not just the UK but all over Europe things are getting edgy. Islamisation and almost total lack of integration, I fear it will kick off in the next few decades.

Juneau - Scotland subsidised the rest of the uk for years with its oil and gas. They’ve paid a lot more than they get back.

Untrue. Scotland certainly contributed more when it's oil and gas were worth more, but overall Scotland is a net taker, not a net giver to the UK purse.

Which countries exactly do you think are more welcoming to newcomers OP I'm genuinely interested to know.

I've noticed that people are no longer embarrassed to air racist views in conversation, and get overly defensive when I disagree with them. It's a very white lower middle/upper working class area I live, there's next to no sympathy for people on benefits but in reality it wouldn't take much for any of us to fall on hard times.

SinisterBumFacedCat

Can you give an example of these explicitly "racist" view ?

Scotland subsidised the rest of the uk for years with its oil and gas.

Yup, and unlike Norway, the UK allowed the profits to be offshored. As usual, we nationalise the debt and privatise the profit.

Yes. Just at the weekends folllowing the fatal stabbing on the train at Guildford, there was much discussion in my family and ILs as to whether the assailant being black being the predominant reason as to why he would carry out such a vicious crime. I was the only one who didn't think it was, that it was a ridiculous generalisation. That wasn't received well.

Good enough for you Elon?

Right but he was black, and the vast majority of knife crime in the UK is committed by black men is it not ? Why would it be "racist" to suspect this was the case again ? If you hear of someone killing their family then themselves do you think it is probably a man who is responsible ? Does that make you sexist ?

I did feel angry yesterday whilst listening to the evening news on the radio.

The politicians are objecting to feeling unsafe around Westminster and demanding the police do something about it. Obviously nobody wants anybody to be attacked, but it seems that they are utterly clueless about the mess they're creating with Brexit, universal credit, immigration, the NHS etc. and can't seem to see how the rise of the far right and demonstrations are linked to this. Mainly poorer areas voted for Brexit due to feeling disenfranchised.

The police cuts are contributing to increased levels of crime, but yet the politicians expect these police to protect them. The general public can't get the police to help them. Welcome to our world. Yes, I know the politicians are at increased risk due to their work, but that's no consolation to the public.

Not for us (mixed race family).