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How old is too old?

523 replies

Dartilla · 06/01/2019 21:52

To become a parent?

My DH is older than me and I wondered if a general consensus even existed about how old is too old to become a dad, or even a mum?

Is there an age where it becomes selfish to have a baby? I'm trying to get my own opinions straight, as naturally I think each to their own, but then I wonder if there's a line?

Does age matter? Would you personally have a 'cut off' age, as such?

OP posts:
Rockybooboo · 08/01/2019 13:15

I had 4 miscarriages in my 30s. I then fell pregnant years later and gave birth to my daughter at 42. My husband is 4 years younger. Not planned but I went ahead with the pregnancy even though i lost my dad at 46 (when i was 22) She's 8 and happy and healthy. Would have preferred it happened earlier but life doesn't work to a plan. I hope she doesn't feel sad about it. There's quite a few of us old mums on the playground and a some much older dad's. I have no idea what the future holds but it's going well so far.

3timeslucky · 08/01/2019 13:16

This is interesting ... maps ages of first time mothers in Europe. I live in one of the 5 countries where over 30 is the norm for the first child.

www.indy100.com/article/map-average-age-women-have-first-child-europe-data-update-7627511

HappySeven · 08/01/2019 13:16

My father was almost 46 when I was born and my mum was older than you are at nearly 41. When I was younger I used to find people mistook my parents for my grandparents (more my mother than my father who always looked very young for his age). Now it's more common to have children in your late 30s and 40s and I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid.

As the child in the scenario I would say go ahead. I was always aware that my parents might not live as long as other people's parents which made me appreciate time with them but I've been very lucky and I still have them at 90 and 85. They say I kept them young too and I think they are right - they have a much more youthful and brighter outlook than some of their contemporaries.

ShadyLady53 · 08/01/2019 13:28

Yes, but the odds increase as those potentially needing care age.

I’d rather have to care for elderly parents at 40 or 50 than at 60 or 70, as I saw happen with my Mother and Grandmother.

Worry over future children becoming a carer is not imo good enough reason to say other people should not become parents in their 30s or 40s.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 08/01/2019 13:29

I have no idea what the future holds but it's going well so far

Please make plans for your care that do not include her. I am sorry if that sounds awful, but the hard truth is that so many children in her position end up as carers.

KatyWhatsit · 08/01/2019 13:39

I’d rather have to care for elderly parents at 40 or 50 than at 60 or 70.

Not all elderly people need care. Many die quickly, without years of ill health.

I think this whole thread is raising issues that are not relevant. No one can choose the age of their parents. We all make the best of what life hands us.

My feeling is that the OP is scared of being a parent because she has left it slightly on the late side. The more you think about huge choices, sometimes the more complex they seem.

I'm not sure to be frank of the value of asking on a forum about this.
It's a decision between a couple.
How does HE feel? He's the older one.

We have some friends who had children when the man was in his 50s. He already had a teenage family from a previous marriage. He's now pushing 60 with two young children as his wife is younger.

I think the REAL issue here is that the OP is unsure if SHE wants a child. Using her husband's age is a bit of an 'pass the buck' / red herring.

Rockybooboo · 08/01/2019 13:43

YetanotherspartucuS. My dad should have made plans as well. He died of a very severe stroke at 46. If he'd been found earlier, I would have been a carer at 22. You can only plan so much.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 08/01/2019 13:56

We are talking likelihood. This increases with age. I was a carer in my late 20s btw.

Rockybooboo · 08/01/2019 14:16

Yetanotherspartucus I considered this when I was pregnant as it was a bit of shock as didn't think I could pregnant. I can only hope it works out. Its been ok for the couple of schoolfriends and cousins who are now my age and had older parents.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 08/01/2019 14:19

Look I get the unplanned stuff. I was unplanned and born before my parents had real options (contraception and abortion). But now these are available I do think that more thought needs to be given.

ShadyLady53 · 08/01/2019 14:25

@YetAnotherSpartacus I was a carer in my 20s too mainly because caring for my grandmother resulted in my mother having a stroke. I’m glad I wasn’t aborted when my Mum discovered she’d be 39 when I was born. Caring for a relative for years hasn’t been the worst thing that happened to me. And if it had been that bad that I’d considered I’d been better off dead/not born, then at that point I’d have sought help and considered a residential care home.

Rockybooboo · 08/01/2019 14:27

Are you saying I should have considered abortion? My cousin was born to a 42 year old woman and 44 year old dad and he's made the best of his life. He's happily married, travelled the world and got a great career.

ShadyLady53 · 08/01/2019 14:28

@Rockybooboo please ignore the hurtful comments, they are very upsetting. I’m sure that you and your child will be fine x

LadyRochfordsHoickedGusset · 08/01/2019 14:29

Well I must admit DD was a surprise arrival for me in my twenties (max contraception) but I was in love with her father at the time and didn't want an abortion. Her brother was planned. Don't regret any of it.

Now at 41 the last thing I'd want is to be pregnant, too much else going on. We're all different.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 08/01/2019 14:30

Are you saying I should have considered abortion? My cousin was born to a 42 year old woman and 44 year old dad and he's made the best of his life. He's happily married, travelled the world and got a great career

I do think that my Mother should have had the choice re abortion which is offered to women today.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 08/01/2019 14:34

please ignore the hurtful comments, they are very upsetting. I’m sure that you and your child will be fine

Of course - because wishful thinking WORKS!

Look, nothing against doodoo - but DO plan for the future in a way that does not involve your DC being born to be a carer - please!

Lweji · 08/01/2019 14:40

DO plan for the future in a way that does not involve your DC being born to be a carer

Any DC can become a carer, regardless of age. Any parent should plan for the future in ways that don't involve their DCs becoming carers.

Are you actually saying any over 40s mum should abort her babies?

What about the children of younger parents that risk becoming carers of parents AND grandparents? Is that better?

Lavenderdays · 08/01/2019 14:53

Katywhatsit

I think you have written a very wise post.

Also, dh and I could be that couple you described in your post. There are always pros and cons to everything. Would I have preferred to have had my children slightly younger...yes probably but do I regret it: no. I have the means to arrange my own care in the future, I certainly wouldn't want my children doing it (although visits to see their old mum would be lovely!). My dcs are lucky to have their old mum and dad, we are not perfect by any means but we are financially okay and dedicated to giving them time/support with education etc. They are reaping the benefits now. What if, what if...yes you have to think ahead a bit but there are no guarantees. My parents had me relatively young and tbh were pretty bad at parenting, you can never tell, it can work both ways = there are pros and cons to everything.

Oblomov18 · 08/01/2019 15:13

Blimey. This thread is an eye opener. So many posters saying over 40 is "selfish".
ShockShockShock

sonlypuppyfat · 08/01/2019 15:17

My friend has a DD who is 13 her dad is now nearly 80 he can't go out on his own now and needs a lot of car, I think that's too old

Rockybooboo · 08/01/2019 15:22

I'm confused. Did your mum not to continue with the pregnancy YetanotherspartucuS?

MorrisZapp · 08/01/2019 15:29

On the plus side, those lucky enough to have older parents who die without needing residential care will be much more likely to get any inheritance due to them at a time they really need it.

ChocolateWombat · 08/01/2019 17:09

I'm surprised how negative some people are about the issues involved in caring for elderly parents. Isn't part of being a civilised society that we take responsibility for and care for the elderly,nfirst and foremost those in our own families. All of us will need care one day and we'd hope our families will be willing to be involved in that in some form and also that they will willingly do it. Yes, it does create burdens and inconveniences, but I'd hope most will shoulder those when their Mum and Dad is involved. And bearing those burdens can be tricky if you're in your 20s and probably without children yourself, or if you're in your 40s or 50s with children of your own to fit in too, or if you're in your 60s or even 70s dealing with very elderly parents, when you're not so fit yourself perhaps.
Caring for elderly parents or arranging care for them at whatever age they need it has different burdens and pressures according to the stage of life the children are. To me, the fact that having a child at 45 meaning my children will be 25 when I'm 70 or 30 when I'm 75 (and both of those are younger than average age of needing lots of care and finally death ) aren't factors strong enough for me to say it would be wrong for me to have them and place that burden on them at that point, even though they are more likely to have to undertake this burden at that age rather than in their 40s.

Perhaps our attitudes towards this, reflect the fact that as a society we are increasingly uncomfortable with caring for the elderly or needy in our lives and it's a reflection of individualism and wanting to do our own thing.....and because we feel like that, the idea of burdening a child with caring for us feels uncomfortable.

In the past, when people lived shorter lives and there was less welfare provision, it was absolutley the norm for people in their 20s to look after their parents who were ill and reaching the end of their lives in their 40s. They were able and capable to do it then and they are now. Do we have some kind of golden view of the 20s or infantilised view of 20s which says they are still children and can't take responsibility or aren't capable of things or need protecting from any harder realities of life? I think there's an element of this here.

Of course all the pros and cons and issues of having children at any time of life should be considered. Most people will choose to have children at some point. Great for those who managed it younger - no doubt, in many ways IF there is that choice, it is better in a number of ways (although not all as head been clearly stated). But for those who haven't managed it by 30 or 35 or 40, are some of you saying, that despite it being a physical possibility, those adults have missed the boat and shouldn't respond to their creative urge to procreate - that they are not entitled to do this or that it is wrong or selfish to do this and they should remain childless - because remaining childless it what this amounts to for many people. There's a difference between saying it would be preferable to have children a bit younger, to saying you shouldn't have children if you are older. There's a difference between saying 'I wouldn't have wanted to have children beyond 30/35/40' and saying it is therefore wrong for other people to do it, particularly when it is forgotton that many people aren't in a position to have children before 40 and certainly not before 30.

Children never have any choice about who their parents are or the positive and negative circumstances they find themselves in. We all make the best of our lives and most are pleased with most of what their parents did for them. Most are sorry when their parents are ill and die and most would like to have had more time with them, regardless of the age of parents or children.

Personally, I don't consider having a child in your 40s selfish and find it even more understandable if it's a first child. If it's physically possible and especially if it's naturally conceived, it's hard to see any real arguments of value against it.

Perhaps we should say that all parents have a duty to be the best parents they can, to engage with their children, and to provide for them as children and prepare them for life as adults.....some of which includes ensuring alternative care would be available if something happened to the parents at any point, and putting some kind of measures in place which show some kind of thinking about older age in a timely fashion (although we know illness and death can occur at any point and can't always be planned for). Both older and younger parents might be good or bad in meeting these duties and it isn't age that makes them good or bad at carrying out those duties. Perhaps all we can say ultimately is that every parent should be aiming to be a good parent in these senses (or whatever else you would add to the list) and that is more important than the age you are.

thegrassisgreenifyouwaterit · 08/01/2019 17:19

My DH is 45 and we are trying to conceive DC 2. I'm 7 years younger than him. My DH does not look old, he doesn't look 20 but he's fine.

We had our first DC just before I turned 36. You are not too old.

giftsonthebrain · 08/01/2019 17:39

Older fathers may appear act and seem younger than their reported age BUT the sperm cells will be old.
Same with older women who come on mn shocked the routine screening reveals Down’s syndrome.
The autism link is clear.