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peppersprayfirst · 02/01/2019 17:30

Hi, hoping for some advice.

Background is I'm 21, live at home with my mum and dad. My mum is amazing. My dad has always been IMO and in dsis's emotionally and financially abusive towards her. He has pushed pretty much all of her family and friends away throughout their lives together, new friends come and then quickly go for some reason or another due to the way he is. She never felt that she could leave because she was a SAHM and did bits and bobs to help with his business rather than formal employment.

I have always worked and saved and am doing quite well and getting together a deposit for a house. My mum and dad had a second home abroad which they recently sold, with the proceeds they gave me £6k to go towards my savings. Obviously I was very grateful for this, but knowing how he can be I was a little wary. I am very independent and don't like relying on people for things too much, especially money.

They now have decided that they want to buy another (different) house abroad and want to retire there and live there permanently. They have made it very clear me living at home is a massive inconvenience to them because they can't sell this house. They had me later in life after a struggle to conceive again so I know I was very much wanted, but surely they thought about this part? I feel like I'm in the way, but I can't afford to live alone yet and me and my partner aren't ready to live together just yet.

They are going away again soon and are leaving me to look after the house and pets which is tricky as unlike them I work full time and am out of the house all day. The boiler is currently broken and you have to turn a knob to get the heating/hot water to work, it's been this way about 2 months now but they haven't got it fixed. Last night I went to turn the thing and it made a funny noise and the hot water didn't work like it usually has been. I said to dad I think it might be getting more broken and I'm worried it will break when they are away and I won't know what to do. Dad complained because he 'has no money' I said 'you can't pay to fix the boiler but you can pay for a second home!!?'
I haven't really seen him since but I just got in from work now and he mentioned the boiler is working when you release the pressure thing and that I must have been 'mistaken' last night but said it in a nasty way as if I was making it up? I just said 'oh right, I wasn't mistaken though it was being funny lastnight'. Then he said 'you know the comment you made lastnight about the second home, it's going to be a first home very soon'. Like a threat😂 I just thought how ridiculous, I'm not like mum you can't intimidate me with stupid remarks I'm stronger than that. I said 'oooooh that really got me' (which sounds stupid written down but wtf do you say to that) he then said well when the boiler breaks when we're away you can pay for it with the 6k I gave you. I thought wow I was waiting for this!! For him to use it against me!! I just said 'have it back I don't want it' he said 'I don't want it back' but really nastily.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask them to get the boiler fixed, I would be happy to pay toward it. The house is also really damp, there's water marks all over my ceiling because of leaks as it isn't maintained well and all of my clothes and sheet smell strongly of damp I have to use shedloads of unstoppables to get it smelling nice. My mum hates it too, we still try to keep it nice and cosy but mum won't stick up for herself even though she knows he has the money to sort things he just won't use it unless it's something that benefits him.

They are hinting for me to go and live with my boyfriend at his parents house and although I love my boyfriend I think that would put a lot of pressure on us and if something went wrong between us I would have nowhere to go.

Should I just give him the money back? I hate feeling like I owe him something or he has some kind of control over me because of it. However, the money is a big help and will allow me to leave home sooner. I feel so awful that mums had to put up with this for so long. He's not a nice person at all. I don't really want his money.

I realise I am very privileged and there are people much worse off in the world than me. I work with disadvantaged children and families every day and see the complex issues that that have, I am not unaware. I realise that this isn't the worst problem in the world.

OP posts:
stokieginge · 02/01/2019 18:22

@Bluelady as I said DC under the age of 21 don't pay rent - does that mean that they deserve to live in squalor?!

greendale17 · 02/01/2019 18:23

MN is a funny old place, as soon as your kids turn 18 they are supposed to move out or pay market rent? I wouldn’t dream of expecting my kids to leave home or as long as I can afford it pay rent!!

^I agree. Saying that there are a lot of bitter people on MN who can’t accept that some parents want to help their kids with house despots.

Lifeofsmiley · 02/01/2019 18:25

Op keep the £6 k and use it for what they intended for. They want you out. And please don’t move in with your bf parents, that would be a recipe for disaster. Be the independent woman you claim to be.

Morgan12 · 02/01/2019 18:25

Oh for goodness sake these replies are ridiculous! 21 is very very young to be moving out. Most of my friends were mid to late 20s. Some 30.

If my children live at home at 21 I would never ever make them feel unwelcome. It's actually horrible of your parents OP.

I do think it's unfair on you but your best bet is to try to move as their attitudes won't change.

PyongyangKipperbang · 02/01/2019 18:27

I would move into a houseshare ASAP and make it clear that you wont be going back to look after the animals.

Something a long the lines of "I am just letting you know I will be moving out on X date, so you have plenty of time to arrange a pet sitter or kennels". THey cant have it both ways.

Butchyrestingface · 02/01/2019 18:27

Why because she's 21 does she deserve any less of a safe place to live than an 11yo?!

She doesn't. But unlike an 11 yo, OP works full-time and her kind parents have just gifted her £6k. That would pay her rent for some time, even in London.

They're entitled to want to sell up and move abroad.

Mrsmadevans · 02/01/2019 18:27

OP you take the money and go and stay with your BF . It is the only answer. The money was a gift. You do not have to give it back.

thebaronetofcockburn · 02/01/2019 18:28

She's not being turfed out! She finds the lodgings she's been giving for free at her parents not suited to her. So move out then. At any rate they will need to replace the boiler before they can sell their house, but it's theirs to sell.

trojanpony · 02/01/2019 18:30

Agree. Move out if you don’t like it.

And give the cash back. Trust me, it’s just a stick to beat you with and he’ll dine out on this for years to come.

In our family (not me thank god!) we had similar and almost immediately it was
“My money bought that sofa”
(To other relatives) “I paid for the kitchen extension”
“I bought that table”
“You couldn’t have bought that house without me and now you say you might not be able to pick me up from the airport at 2am on a Wednesday!!!”
“What do you mean you won’t feed and muck out my horse for a fortnight?! After everything we do for you”

It was a miracle of feckin biblical proportions, as somehow this £10k loan managed to buy about £50k worth of stuff...
AND they still bang on about it on occasion and was in 96 and has been repaid!?!?

PyongyangKipperbang · 02/01/2019 18:30

RE kids paying rent..... that is nothing to do with money but everything to do with teaching them good habits. They need to learn that rent and bills must be paid before anything else. You can save it for them if you can afford it and return it towards a deposit when they leave, but imo not charging them rent is far worse than asking for them to contribute to their costs.

Also in some families tax credits etc are relied on and drop heavily when a child leaves full time education, but they still eat the same, use the same gas and electric etc, of course they should stump up towards these things if they are working.

OrdinarySnowflake · 02/01/2019 18:31

Oh 21 is not young to be moving out! So many people have already left home for uni at 18, then got jobs in towns away from their parents' house.

It's really normal to have been independent by early 20s.

Obviously, if you can live at your parents home so you can save, great - but it's clearly not working for the OP and her parents. They don't like living with her, she doesn't like living with them, and they want to sell up the family home, but can't until she's left. It's causing bitterness that they are having to put their retirement plans on hold until she's gone. They gave her £6k to speed up the process.

Time to just face that this isn't working for anyone involved.

thebaronetofcockburn · 02/01/2019 18:35

21 is very very young to be moving out. Most of my friends were mid to late 20s. Some 30.

Gees, what about people who cannot afford to have their adult children live with them forever for free, must mean they are shit parents Hmm

Windgate · 02/01/2019 18:35

I think some PP's have been rather harsh. That said your parents want to retire abroad and have given you some money, it's a great shame they couldn't have an honest conversation with you instead of your DF being PA.
Start looking for cheap flats, house share etc and plan your move for when they get back from their next trip. I wouldn't let them down on animal care at this stage.

DollyWilde · 02/01/2019 18:36

My dad is/was emotionally abusive to my mum and my sister and I, and that's precisely the reason I moved out when coming back from Uni. My sister chose to put up with it and had her house deposit about five years earlier than I did, but she didn't complain about dad. Personally I think she made the wrong choice but I know she thinks it was worth it. I'm only just on the ladder now but for me not owing Dad money and being independent was more important to me.

You have choices, you can make like my sister and tolerate it or make like me and move out, just accepting it will take longer to buy. Your call.

Coyoacan · 02/01/2019 18:36

MN is a funny old place, as soon as your kids turn 18 they are supposed to move out or pay market rent? I wouldn’t dream of expecting my kids to leave home or as long as I can afford it pay rent!!

But that is how you do things in your family. The OP is in a family where they plan to move abroad, she hates her father and he has given her a load of money to help her move.

Morgan12 · 02/01/2019 18:36

Yep that's exactly what I said. Shit parents the lot of them.

WorraLiberty · 02/01/2019 18:37

I bet the people saying move out don't rent in London or S.E.

I live in a London borough and I know exactly how much the rents are here.

The OP has over £6k in savings.

She can afford to move out.

WorraLiberty · 02/01/2019 18:38

But that is how you do things in your family. The OP is in a family where they plan to move abroad, she hates her father and he has given her a load of money to help her move.

This ^^ is it in a nutshell.

Aaaahfuck · 02/01/2019 18:38

How much would you need for a deposit to buy somewhere? Loads of people rent either alone or in a house share before they buy a house. I would suggest this as your dad sounds awful. Even if it takes you longer to save the money for a deposit.

AdoraBell · 02/01/2019 18:39

YANBU to repay the £6,000, and move out. You don’t have to move into BF’s parents house and if you and BF aren’t ready to move in together then look for a shared accommodation, or a flat if you can afford to rent.

I’m sorry your DM has been putting up with this abusive behaviour. Would she accept advice to do the Women’s Aid Freedom programme?

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 18:40

Why because she's 21 does she deserve any less of a safe place to live than an 11yo?!

Cmon, you can't be that unable to understand it. She doesn't like living there, she doesn't like the conditions, she doesn't like her father. That's why people are saying move out. Her parents want to sell up and move but can't. She doesn't need to live there if she doesn't like it.

That's why people are saying move out. My daughter is 21. She doesn't live with me because she now works in her uni town. However if she chose to she'd have a home here for as long as she wished. But even I would probably tell her to consider moving out if she hated living here, felt the conditions were shit, disliked one of us and was on line slagging is off.

HeebieJeebies456 · 02/01/2019 18:40

I can't afford to live alone yet and me and my partner aren't ready to live together just yet
You work full time and have 6k in the bank - of course you can afford to move out - even if it's a house-share.

Your attitude stinks quite frankly.
It doesn't matter how old they were when you were born - you're an ADULT now.
They can sell and buy whatever house they want - it's their money and their choice.
Oh and by the way - you are NOT independent if you're still living with your parents and relying on their goodwill to house you!

Bluelady · 02/01/2019 18:42

Only on MN would people teaching their kids valuable money management skills "Shit parents" I know which parents I think are shit.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 02/01/2019 18:42

Your 21 OP and you work full time, you should be able to afford a little let flat on your own now, I did and was working part time, while at college/uni, when I moved country at 16, on my own.

Gazelda · 02/01/2019 18:43

Have another look at the numbers OP. How much have you got saved? How much disposable income do you have each month? How much is rent local to you? How much to rent a room or house share?

Surely it's better to move out in your circumstances?

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