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Bad hosts?

184 replies

TakeFive1959 · 18/12/2018 14:08

Last weekend, my DH and I stayed for three nights at my SIL's and her DH's house, who live in another country. About a month in advance, we asked her if it would be fine for us to stay, since we wanted to visit them -last time we saw each other was in summer-, to which she said yes.

Let's say that we did not quite feel, well... hospitality, precisely. The day of our arrival -on Friday night, 8pm-ish-, we were supposed to meet at a train station to go together with them to their house (which we had never been to, since they moved a couple of months ago). We let them know beforehand the time we were arriving, we messaged them when our plane landed, and even when our train was on the way to the station. They just did not show up. We called them letting them know that we had arrived, and they said they were still home! They did not just arrive from work, but were there - we don't know what. So instead of waiting all the way for them to arrive -25-30 minutes-, we just compromise to meet them at half the way.

Then, when we arrived at their house (at around late 9 pm), they did not offer us anything to eat or even snack. There was not any dinner or snacks prepared, so we all order take away. They had not had dinner themselves either, waiting for us to have dinner together.

Right after ordering, my SIL says that 'ours' is 'x' pounds so that we pay her the cost of our meal, which we do immediately and do nothing else that night but smile and talk to them. We ended up having dinner at 11pm.

Of course, we had brought with us some gifts for them -things we knew they liked-, and gave them upon our arrival. We were also more than willing -or would have been, if things would have been different- to contribute with the costs of our stay and invite them for some meals and/or buy groceries, but were just not expecting that reaction precisely on the night of our arrival, which was quite shocking tbh.

During the rest of our stay, they provided for breakfasts -consisting of cereals with milk or yoghurt, fruit and coffee or tea-, and an occasional drink -twice- at their house, but nothing else. They did not cook once - which is fine for me-, and all meals were out or takeaways, but we were expected to pay for absolutely every meal apart from breakfast, and they did not invite us even once, not even to a coffee or tea while we were out in the city with them.

In fact, they were so tight that they expected each person the bear the exact cost of what they had ordered, they did not just divide the bill (even when what we all had ordered was pretty similar in cost). This happened with coffee, too.

During all our stay, we cleaned our dishes and what we used for breakfast and/or for the takeaways without being asked for, and we offered our help whenever we could (to clean the dishes, set the table or even prepare a coffee for them at breakfast, since they always woke up later than we did!).

The morning we left, we woke up to be ready to leave the house at the same time they did, since they did not have the day off and had to go to work, and we did not want to be an inconvenience for them.

I would love to say that our stay was lovely, but that attitude left us quite cold. We tried to ignore it the first day, but then it just repeated during all our stay, so we did not bother to invite them for dinner or coffee either, feeling quite annoyed.

Is it just us, or is this really an absolute lack of hospitality? If they had stayed at our house, I know we would have made sure that dinner was ready when they arrived, and would have been waiting for them at the train station upon their arrival (not to mention that we would have invited them to all of the meals at our house, or some of them if dinner or lunch was out, in addition to buying some snacks and/or things for them).

Financially, they currently do better than we do, since SIL has a very good job and my DH is unemployed at the moment, but there is usually not a big difference between us.

What do you think?? Last night I messaged SIL thanking her for 'our stay', and offering them to stay at our house anytime, but did not feel right thanking her for their 'hospitality', since we felt there was NONE.

Am I being over-criticising? Do you believe that they are aware that they were not hospitable? What would you do?

OP posts:
UnknownStuntman · 18/12/2018 22:40

So they had to wait until 11pm to eat because her arsehole brother and his entitled wife have invited themselves to stay.

Yep, I'd be full if the joys of spring too.

Thentherewascake · 18/12/2018 22:54

UnknownStuntman

I am guessing you have a happy life full of friends and relatives happy to see you. Not.

If you do not want to host, here's a groundbreaking idea: just say no! You are not there on that date, the house is already full, it's not possible. Sulking and being rude to your guests instead is pathetic, just grow up.

UnknownStuntman · 18/12/2018 23:04

You'd be guessing wrong then wouldn't you? Our friends/family have boundaries and we all have a great time when were together. Fortunately none of us think that we're more important than the others and their existing plans.

Thentherewascake · 18/12/2018 23:10

Calling your brother and his wife an asshole because they paid to travel abroad to come and see you for 3 days, really?

Did you read the OP? They didn't turn up unannounced, they asked if they could visit, like normal people do in the real world.

I am so grateful I seem to live in a completely different planet than some of the posters on this forum. Even if my sister was ringing my door bell without warning right now, I would be happy to see her and the spare bed is always ready. No need for air and grace within a family.

Lovingbenidorm · 18/12/2018 23:10

The big thing that’s standing out to me is that they didn’t actually invite you. You asked them if you could stay, big difference.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 18/12/2018 23:12

I don’t think the OP is going to get this one Grin

SIL & her DH have recently moved, probably at some cost. They are trying to straighten up their new home and get ready to host family members at Christmas.

Oh the joy of the OP announcing she will be visiting for a few nights 10 days before Christmas, the weekend SIL and DP had earmarked to get ready for their Christmas guests. Oh, how delightful the extra expense is, oh, how marvellous to entertain after a long day at work, how Marvellous - a chance to be a taxi service too....

But how toe curlingly delicious that the OP is actually complaining that her relatives are bad hosts.

UnknownStuntman · 18/12/2018 23:15

I'm not calling my brother and his wife an asshole. That word isn't in my vocabulary.

I called OPs DH an arsehole because that's what he seems to be from reading the OP.

Nor did I say they turned up unannounced. I said "So they had to wait until 11pm to eat because her arsehole brother and his entitled wife have invited themselves to stay."

You'll be able to point out where I said they turned up unannounced in that statement or are you lying?

SneezyWasTheDopeyOne · 18/12/2018 23:19

they paid to travel abroad to come and see you for 3 days

They got free accommodation & invited themselves.

ShadyLady53 · 18/12/2018 23:20

Some people literally do not take no for an answer...especially the ones who are pushy enough to invite themselves.

I’ve got a male relative who has started expecting me to host him and his grown up kids for Christmas after not spending Christmas with me in over 20 years (when I was a child). On one wage I can’t afford it, he won’t contribute, they hog the sofa meaning I have to sit on the floor for a week and I’m also caring for ill relatives and it’s hard to wait on more people hand and foot as I also work all over Christmas.

He booked flights one year despite me saying no, ruined our quiet Christmas (and cost my parents and I £700, long story), expected to be waited on hand and foot, his kids were really REALLY rude and created an atmosphere and then on their way out he said “this was nice, we’re coming again next year. It must have been very special for you to have us here.” Straight away, I said next year won’t be possible. They literally make me feel like a stranger in my own home.

3 weeks ago he text (I see him once a year!), “just looking at booking flights to come over for Christmas.” I told him that it wasn’t a good idea and after a long back and forth. “Rigggghhtt. We might leave it this year and come next year.”

I still strongly suspect they are all just going to show up on Christmas Eve to “surprise” me anyway. He’s always saying “we were going to come over as a surprise.” I’ve had to make it clear that if he did that and I wasn’t in my ill, elderly mother would most likely shut the door in his face.

I’m now planning to leave the country next Christmas just to get out of being forced to host him and his family, also meaning I lose out on some work. When I previously mentioned I wouldn’t be in the country next year, he said “we might come and stay at yours whilst you are away” and “where are you going? If you let me know we will come and stay with you.”

This person has never even been nice to me! We aren’t close, him and his kids are rude to me but they are family so I don’t want to tell him to F off and cause a huge family upset.

It would just be much easier if he stopped inviting himself OR took no for an answer.

Thentherewascake · 18/12/2018 23:23

UnknownStuntman
so we all agree they didn't turn up unannounced why is why you call them asshole and entitled? Yeah, that makes sense.

If you don't want to see your family, just decline when they ask if they can come and visit. If you agree then sulk, you are the asshole I am afraid. How stupid can you get.

Starbitcrazy · 18/12/2018 23:23

Yeah my first thought is you had invited yourselves to stay and they didn't know how to say no. But, given that they did say yes I believe they should have been more hospitable in their home. Even if I didn't want someone to stay I would feed them all meals if necessary and make sure they were comfortable. I do think that you should split bills unless it's a regular thing and can reciprocate next time. As it's your husbands sister, he should be comfortable enough to ask if everything is OK. Do you mean they didn't invite you out for meals or coffee whilst they went and did those things without you? If so, I think it's a little strange but fine. Perhaps they wanted time alone or maybe they were having problems and didn't need house guests at the time.

Thentherewascake · 18/12/2018 23:25

They got free accommodation & invited themselves.

so you wait for a formal written invitation to visit your relatives and friends?

Meanwhile, in the real world Grin

UnknownStuntman · 18/12/2018 23:27

I didn't call them an asshole. I repeat - That word is not in my vocabulary.

Where did I say they turned up uninvited? You've claimed that I did, so please answer where I said that.

People inviting themselves to someone house when they've just recently moved is the behaviour of an arsehole. Someone moaning that they weren't waited on hand and foot when they've invited themselves is entitled.

mammmamia · 18/12/2018 23:29

God there’s some miseries in this thread. Hope I never have to stay at one of your houses.
They were terrible hosts. If they didn’t want you to stay they should have said no. Once they agreed to have you they should have made you far more welcome. A guest in your home is a privilege.

Thentherewascake · 18/12/2018 23:30

UnknownStuntman

Allow me to quote your post:

because her arsehole brother and his entitled wife have invited themselves to stay.

HTH Smile

SneezyWasTheDopeyOne · 18/12/2018 23:32

so you wait for a formal written invitation to visit your relatives and friends?

'formal written invitation'? No. They usually say when can you guys visit? And we work out a time that suits us both.

Sorry to burst your bubble but it really doesn't sound like the OP covered herself in glory here.

UnknownStuntman · 18/12/2018 23:33

Rubbish. A guest can be a privilege. They can be a PITA too.

You're saying that Shady should feel privileged when her relative turns up and turfs her off her sofa to the point she's seriously contemplating leaving the country because of his and his children's behaviour. Yep, that's a privilege alright.

2isabella2 · 18/12/2018 23:34

OP - I think they were rude! We have family far away and often invite ourselves and vice versa as actually the ones doing the traveling are putting themselves out more - both in time and cost of travel. Of course we buy the groceries etc and cook as our family do for us. I find it so weird that anyone wouldn't!

Everyone chips in to help with the cooking and clearing up though. I'd be pretty upset!

SneezyWasTheDopeyOne · 18/12/2018 23:36

A guest in your home is a privilege.

After many, many, many guests, especially those that invite themselves and take the piss it becomes less of a privilege and more of a pain in the arse.

UnknownStuntman · 18/12/2018 23:36

cake

Yep. You got me on that one. I was thinking unannounced, not uninvited. They were certainly uninvited and I'm sure would never be invited again after a few today's of attempted sponging.

Where did I use the word you've attributed to me which though?

PrincessFiorimonde · 18/12/2018 23:37

OP, am I right in thinking that English is not your first language? I ask because the phrasing of your posts is a little stilted in places, and that might be why some posters think you are coming across as a bit 'entitled'.

I agree with those suggesting that, sadly, your SIL's DH may not have been too keen on the visit. Even if that's the case, I do think it's very odd they didn't meet you at the station when that had been their suggestion in the first place.

If your DH and his sister have a good relationship, maybe he can talk to her and find out if everything is ok - though perhaps now might not be the time to do it. Let things lie for a while. In the New Year, invite them to stay with you, and then 'kill them with kindness'.

Meantime, hope you have a happy Christmas!

Thentherewascake · 18/12/2018 23:37

so the OP asking if they could come and stay , which is the normal behaviour of any reasonable human beings, is a problem because?

The "hosts" were rude, if they didn't want guests they should have just declined.

I am so glad none of my friends and family are behaving as strangely as some of the posters on here.

abacucat · 18/12/2018 23:38

Except OP is not a distant relative. It is her DPs brother for god sake. So yes they were very rude. And personally I would always rather be told no its not convenient to visit family, than to be grudgingly put up with,

OrigamiZoo · 18/12/2018 23:40

I wouldn't expect them to foot the bill for the whole weekend but I would expect them to meet us if they promised to, its just so nice to be met from a plane or train in a foreign country and then dinner on arrival after travelling and I'd make sure we bought lots of wine and nice chocolate. YANBU.

abacucat · 18/12/2018 23:40

And my family are not close, but it is still normal for family members to phone and say - we were thinking of coming to visit you if that is okay?
I do think MN is very very weird in general about interacting with anyone outside the nuclear family.