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***WARNING DISTRESSING CONTENT*** 139 Women murdered by men in 2017

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CaveMum · 18/12/2018 10:26

I know IANBU but posting here for traffic.

The 2017 Femicide Census was released late yesterday, detailing the women murdered in the UK by men during 2017. Here’s the Guardian’s coverage

DISTRESSING CONTENT

Three-quarters of women killed by men in the UK in 2017 knew the perpetrator, according to a report on femicide.

The Femicide Census, conducted by Women’s Aid and the campaigner Karen Ingala Smith, found that of the 139 women known to have been killed by men in the UK last year, 105 (76%) knew their killer. Thirty women were killed by strangers, with 21 of the 30 killed in terrorist attacks.

The report found that 64 of the women, or 46%, were killed by a current or former intimate partner. Another 24 (17%) were killed by a man known to them – such as a colleague, neighbour or friend – while 17 (12%) were killed by a male family member, of whom 10 were killed by their son. The perpetrator’s relationship to the victim could not be established in four cases.

A sharp instrument was used as a weapon in 66 cases, or 47%, while 82 (59%) were killed at home. More than half of women killed by a former partner were killed within the first month of separation; almost 90% of the same subset were killed within the first year of separation.

For the first time, the Femicide Census collected data on “overkilling”, killings where the force or method used was greater than that required to kill the victim. “Overkilling” was evident in 58 (42%) of the cases.

In one case, a victim was stabbed 175 times, while in others women were “hit 40 times with an axe”, “bludgeoned repeatedly” and “battered virtually beyond all recognition”.

Ingala Smith, the chief executive of the domestic violence charity Nia, said: “The use of excessive violence or desecration after death challenges narratives of momentary loss of control that are especially prevalent in relation to domestic violence.

“Instead it highlights the brutality and misogyny that men bring to their violence against women whether dead or alive and challenges benign rationales given by men which are often accepted and repeated in media coverage of the killings of women.”

Smith said the report challenged widely held assumptions about the nature of violence in society. “The dominant perception of knife crime is one of young men and street violence yet the Femicide Census tells us that 47% of women were killed by knives or sharp objects; in fact, this is the most common method used by men to kill women,” she said.

“It may also surprise some to learn that 40% of women killed by men were aged over 45 and 14% were over the age of 66. Where analyses of violent crime do not look at sex disaggregated data, violence against women continues to be overlooked and made invisible.”

Katie Ghose, the chief executive of Women’s Aid, called on the government to ensure its domestic abuse bill, due to be published imminently, delivered both the legislation and the resources needed to respond effectively to domestic abuse.

“Time and time again, we hear of cases where a woman has been killed by a man as an ‘isolated incident’; yet the latest Femicide Census report shows yet again that this is not the case,” she said. “The majority of these cases are not isolated incidents. There are too many similarities in the circumstances where women are killed by men.”

The Femicide Census contains information on more than 1,000 women killed by men in England and Wales since 2009, Northern Ireland as of 2015 and Scotland as of 2017. A number of cases of suspected femicide are still under investigation, making it likely that the real 2017 figure is higher than that recorded by the report.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/18/femicide-in-uk-76-of-women-killed-by-men-in-2017-knew-their-killer

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TheDarkPassenger · 18/12/2018 10:52

I don’t think it’s hidden, personally. But then it might just be because of the job I’m in but I do hear a lot of awareness about it

peakSafeSpace · 18/12/2018 10:58

What's the AIBU?

CaveMum · 18/12/2018 11:28

It’s not an AIBU, more a drawing attention to somethig we should all be angry about.

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AdamNichol · 18/12/2018 11:43

21 of the 30 killed in terrorist attacks

Not sure that qualifies for male on female violence.

105 women murdered by men. In the same year, 433 men were murdered by men, 33% of which knew their murderer; a murder rate of more than twice that of women (15 per million vs 6 per million) (link: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017 )

Violence against women is abhorrent. Making it out to sound like women are the only victims of violence is not helpful.

Deadringer · 18/12/2018 11:47

I don't think the op is suggesting that only women are the victims, I think she is highlighting how dangerous men can be.

AthenaisdeRochechouart · 18/12/2018 11:50

Exactly deadringer

AthenaisdeRochechouart · 18/12/2018 11:52

CaveMum doesn't need to justify putting it in this topic - everyone posts here for traffic.

Pumperthepumper · 18/12/2018 11:53

Its just so horrible, and so violent. Terrifying.

What can we do to stop these men and help prevent more women being killed? What is the solution here?

AdamNichol · 18/12/2018 11:57

I don't think the op is suggesting that only women are the victims, I think she is highlighting how dangerous men can be.

On reflection, true. But when there's a gazillion threads about M>F violence, it's easy to start seeing things from that mindset.

Whilst it's true that men can be dangerous to women, they are more dangerous to other men. Not that that means highlighting the danger to women should be glossed over, nor that every post should have a balance of perspective. But, just thought a bit of context should be brought in somewhere and I guess, it came here (could have been any similar thread)

PerryPerryThePlatypus · 18/12/2018 12:04

Why is it that every time women bring up the subject of male violence against women and girls someone comes along to try and center men in the discussion. Every single time.

Seeing all those photos is chilling. RIP all you wonderful women.

JacquesHammer · 18/12/2018 12:06

Why is it that every time women bring up the subject of male violence against women and girls someone comes along to try and center men in the discussion. Every single time

Yes this.

Pumperthepumper · 18/12/2018 12:06

Why is it that every time women bring up the subject of male violence against women and girls someone comes along to try and center men in the discussion. Every single time.

So true.

nicenewdusters · 18/12/2018 12:08

AdamNichol I agree with Deadringer. The point is male violence. 139 women murdered by men, 433 men murdered by men.

By men. Not by women.

BigFarmer · 18/12/2018 12:08

they are more dangerous to other men So? Point is as a sex, you're a shambles and are a danger to women.

Whilst it's true that men can be dangerous to women yeah thanks for confirming that, the source OP provided left me with some doubt, but no you're here Adam, well we're all reassured that it is true that men are a danger to women.

just thought a bit of context should be brought in and thank fuck. The focus was nearly on women there. Phew. Bullet dodged.

It's funny adam, you're the second male poster today who's felt the need to draw attention from a feminist issue onto how amazing /victimised men are.

MRAs let out early for Christmas?

CaveMum · 18/12/2018 12:10

On a site like Mumsnet, where the majority of posters are women, then yes it is very relevant to discuss violence against women. Particularly when there are daily posts from women currently in abusive relationships.

I will not apologise for posting this thread, and I will not listen to the “whataboutery” and cries of “NAMALT!”

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AdamNichol · 18/12/2018 12:11

What can we do to stop these men and help prevent more women being killed? What is the solution here?

More provision for emergency refuge / escape. More provision for police when issues of known threat / stalking (like that news story the other day).

Also (and this'll be unpopular amongst some), less demonisation of men who are struggling to cope with life and have nowhere to turn. If you want to prevent violence rather than merely punishing it post-hoc; you need to look at what's happening in the world of men. There is a definite contingent awaiting the next horror story so they can let loose with the vitriol. Would've been better if some intervention and support occurred instead.

MadgeMidgerson · 18/12/2018 12:12

given the danger that men present to themselves and to others, I think at the very least they should be kept under curfew. The less they are out there, roaming around, the less likely they will act violently toward strangers.

This of course will do little to address their significant propensities towards domestic violence- I am at a loss here however.

ClaryFray · 18/12/2018 12:13

I can see the opsmen are dangerous point but surely the way to raise awareness of that is to put the statistics for crimes committed by men into one. Not just focus on the female victims.

If anoything men should be more worried about men.

This isnt a sexism issue, it's a why are men the mlute violent sex issue. Painting it as sexism isn't helpful.

CardsforKittens · 18/12/2018 12:13

I wonder how many if these murders could be prevented if men took male violence against women more seriously.

nicenewdusters · 18/12/2018 12:14

AdamNichols Also, if there are a "gazillion" threads on a predominantly female site about male on female violence, of course people will have a certain mindset. But it's not about women living in an echo chamber, it's about reflecting what is actually happening in the real world. Real deaths of real women.

You said "on reflection" in your post. Perhaps you should have reflected a little more before posting. Oh, and thanks for saying that this subject shouldn't be "glossed over".

MadgeMidgerson · 18/12/2018 12:15

A distressing number of women are murdered every year, mostly by partners/former partners who are men but it isn’t worth noting this?

Ohhhhkayyyyyyyy

AdamNichol · 18/12/2018 12:17

Point is as a sex, you're a shambles and are a danger to women.

No. Some men are violent and dangerous. Blaming all men for this and accusing us of being complicit or culpable is fucking ridiculous and undermines legitimate debate.

Every single time.

Actually, very far from true on this forum. There is a vast array of threads where "all men = woman murderer/abuser in waiting" goes utterly unchallenged.

On a site like Mumsnet, where the majority of posters are women, then yes it is very relevant to discuss violence against women

I actually agreed with this, and said as much.

I will not listen to the “whataboutery”

Then you will fail in ay attempt to find solutions as you'll keep seeing every issue in isolation

BigFarmer · 18/12/2018 12:17

Yes, let's not acknowledge it

If you want to prevent violence rather than merely punishing it post-hoc; you need to look at what's happening in the world of men. more resources for men then? Love how its you. Women, sort out men's problems or they'll keep killing you!

ParkheadParadise · 18/12/2018 12:17

My dd was MURDERED by her ex partner. The evil bastard walked free on a NOT PROVEN verdict. Didn't think it was possible to absolutely HATE someone.

PerryPerryThePlatypus · 18/12/2018 12:19

Adam do you think contacting cancer charities and berating them for not centering Alzheimers in their fundraising and research is fine?

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