***WARNING DISTRESSING CONTENT*** 139 Women murdered by men in 2017

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I know IANBU but posting here for traffic.

The 2017 Femicide Census was released late yesterday, detailing the women murdered in the UK by men during 2017. Here’s the Guardian’s coverage

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Three-quarters of women killed by men in the UK in 2017 knew the perpetrator, according to a report on femicide.

The Femicide Census, conducted by Women’s Aid and the campaigner Karen Ingala Smith, found that of the 139 women known to have been killed by men in the UK last year, 105 (76%) knew their killer. Thirty women were killed by strangers, with 21 of the 30 killed in terrorist attacks.

The report found that 64 of the women, or 46%, were killed by a current or former intimate partner. Another 24 (17%) were killed by a man known to them – such as a colleague, neighbour or friend – while 17 (12%) were killed by a male family member, of whom 10 were killed by their son. The perpetrator’s relationship to the victim could not be established in four cases.

A sharp instrument was used as a weapon in 66 cases, or 47%, while 82 (59%) were killed at home. More than half of women killed by a former partner were killed within the first month of separation; almost 90% of the same subset were killed within the first year of separation.

For the first time, the Femicide Census collected data on “overkilling”, killings where the force or method used was greater than that required to kill the victim. “Overkilling” was evident in 58 (42%) of the cases.

In one case, a victim was stabbed 175 times, while in others women were “hit 40 times with an axe”, “bludgeoned repeatedly” and “battered virtually beyond all recognition”.

Ingala Smith, the chief executive of the domestic violence charity Nia, said: “The use of excessive violence or desecration after death challenges narratives of momentary loss of control that are especially prevalent in relation to domestic violence.

“Instead it highlights the brutality and misogyny that men bring to their violence against women whether dead or alive and challenges benign rationales given by men which are often accepted and repeated in media coverage of the killings of women.”

Smith said the report challenged widely held assumptions about the nature of violence in society. “The dominant perception of knife crime is one of young men and street violence yet the Femicide Census tells us that 47% of women were killed by knives or sharp objects; in fact, this is the most common method used by men to kill women,” she said.

“It may also surprise some to learn that 40% of women killed by men were aged over 45 and 14% were over the age of 66. Where analyses of violent crime do not look at sex disaggregated data, violence against women continues to be overlooked and made invisible.”

Katie Ghose, the chief executive of Women’s Aid, called on the government to ensure its domestic abuse bill, due to be published imminently, delivered both the legislation and the resources needed to respond effectively to domestic abuse.

“Time and time again, we hear of cases where a woman has been killed by a man as an ‘isolated incident’; yet the latest Femicide Census report shows yet again that this is not the case,” she said. “The majority of these cases are not isolated incidents. There are too many similarities in the circumstances where women are killed by men.”

The Femicide Census contains information on more than 1,000 women killed by men in England and Wales since 2009, Northern Ireland as of 2015 and Scotland as of 2017. A number of cases of suspected femicide are still under investigation, making it likely that the real 2017 figure is higher than that recorded by the report.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/18/femicide-in-uk-76-of-women-killed-by-men-in-2017-knew-their-killer

Oh just fuck off Adam.

105 women murdered by men. In the same year, 433 men were murdered by men, 33% of which knew their murderer; a murder rate of more than twice that of women

While the murder rate for men may be higher, women are still statistically far more likely to be killed by someone they know and far more likely to be killed in their own home. In other words, women are far more likely to be killed by a man that they should have been able to trust in a place that should have been safe.

But no, no, you're right. We have no right to be concerned about violence against women because more men are murdered (by other men, for fucks sake, so what does that tell you?) and their deaths of course are more serious than the female deaths.

Thank fuck a man was here to point us in the right direction, eh?

Women will talk about what affects us and we will centre women in these discussions.
This thread is about the women and children affected by male violence, so if the MRA's and apologists could fuck off with their NAMALT and women do it too and men get it worse that would be great.
Go start your own thread instead of derailing this one. You have added nothing to the debate, you don't have a solution to the problem of male violence.
Try to have a smidgeon of empathy and self awareness.

I think at the very least they should be kept under curfew.

All men have to be kept under curfew because some men hurt people?

BTW, deaths from traffic accidents are 85 per million (over 10 times that of homicide). So I guess we'll all be walking during non-curfew times?

Parkhead words fail me. Nothing I say can be of any comfort to you.

I agree with everything BigFarmer has said. To prevent the men killing us let's take responsibility for helping them earlier, and then not walk alone in a short skirt. Or, men could just, not kill people.

It took all of a few replies for this shit to start and derail a thread

YANBU

AdamNichol Seriously ? Women's lives can be just as stressful as mens, and when a relationship breaks down they are generally financially worse off, become a single parent, and life can get very tough.

Many men try and avoid financial responsibility for their children. Within two years a huge proportion cease any contact with them.

Strangely, despite these stresses, women manage not to bludgeon or stab their ex partners to death.

We need to acknowledge and address the fact that male violence is celebrated and fetishised in human culture. Look at films and TV programmes- almost every male wields a gun or a sword. You would be forgiven for thinking that aggression and being the best at killing are the only qualities we value in a man. It is stupid to think that this is separate from the fact that many, many men are unable to control their aggression and take pleasure in hurting others- we’ve told them that that is what we expect and admire.

Right, so because it is on TV sometimes men think women want to be beaten up and killed? Do we genuinely credit them with that little?

Women will talk about what affects us and we will centre women in these discussions.

Most men are wonderful fathers, husbands, sons and brothers. It’s not helpful to demonise men and talk about keeping them under curfew. What a shameful suggestion.

No one is demonising all men, Try to keep up.
This is a discussion about the women and children who have been murdered by men last year. Mostly by men who claimed to love them, their partners and fathers.

We have no right to be concerned about violence against women

I said the exact opposite to this. If everyone would stop jumping down my throat, you'll see I was trying to put forward a solution to male on female violence that stems from prevention and acknowledgement of the wider problem of violence in society.

Go start your own thread instead of derailing this one. You have added nothing to the debate, you don't have a solution to the problem of male violence.
Actually, I posted my thoughts on how to gain solutions for male on female violence specifically.

What a shameful suggestion

Yeah on a thread discussing the fact that 139 women were killed by men, that’s the shameful thing

If you want to prevent violence rather than merely punishing it post-hoc; you need to look at what's happening in the world of men.

Why is it that women have to be responsible for everyone? We, as a sex, shouldn't have to prevent the violence against us. That is down to men to prevent.

Am keeping up. A PP suggested a curfew for men. That is shameful.

YANBU

Let’s stop comparing male violence towards women with car accidents - it’s NOT accidental and it happens because we are women - stop mansplaining it to us most of us get it because we experience it

Why do men kill women?

We need to acknowledge and address the fact that male violence is celebrated and fetishised in human culture.

This is absolutely true, I couldn’t agree more. Toxic masculinity and it starts to affect them from such a young age.

Man-hating right there, telling a poster he’s mansplaining. It’s called explaining, and he just happens to be a man.

If everyone would stop jumping down my throat, you'll see I was trying to put forward a solution to male on female violence.

No, what you did was blunder on in to explain why we're wrong to be concerned specifically about male violence against women because the male murder rate is higher and we should be concerned about that instead, followed by blustering about the demonisation of men by women.

Men are being demonised by women, on this very thread.

Strangely, despite these stresses, women manage not to bludgeon or stab their ex partners to death.

Precisely. So is it not better (for women) to try to understand how come this isn't true for (a tiny minority) men; and do something to intervene before it occurs?

A curfew is really for men’s own safety - instead of being out in the streets where you are vulnerable to attack by the incredibly busy one or two men who go around violently assaulting and murdering, you’ll be tucked up cozily at home where you’ll continue as a potential threat to your partner but hey ho

Really you should thank me, I’m thinking of common sense solutions. Sure, we’d all love a world where men could move freely at any time they liked but experience has shown that we do not live in this utopia.

Nope sorry it’s explaining to women why violence towards them is not gendered or men’s fault so I’ll call it what the fuck I like