***WARNING DISTRESSING CONTENT*** 139 Women murdered by men in 2017

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I know IANBU but posting here for traffic.

The 2017 Femicide Census was released late yesterday, detailing the women murdered in the UK by men during 2017. Here’s the Guardian’s coverage

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Three-quarters of women killed by men in the UK in 2017 knew the perpetrator, according to a report on femicide.

The Femicide Census, conducted by Women’s Aid and the campaigner Karen Ingala Smith, found that of the 139 women known to have been killed by men in the UK last year, 105 (76%) knew their killer. Thirty women were killed by strangers, with 21 of the 30 killed in terrorist attacks.

The report found that 64 of the women, or 46%, were killed by a current or former intimate partner. Another 24 (17%) were killed by a man known to them – such as a colleague, neighbour or friend – while 17 (12%) were killed by a male family member, of whom 10 were killed by their son. The perpetrator’s relationship to the victim could not be established in four cases.

A sharp instrument was used as a weapon in 66 cases, or 47%, while 82 (59%) were killed at home. More than half of women killed by a former partner were killed within the first month of separation; almost 90% of the same subset were killed within the first year of separation.

For the first time, the Femicide Census collected data on “overkilling”, killings where the force or method used was greater than that required to kill the victim. “Overkilling” was evident in 58 (42%) of the cases.

In one case, a victim was stabbed 175 times, while in others women were “hit 40 times with an axe”, “bludgeoned repeatedly” and “battered virtually beyond all recognition”.

Ingala Smith, the chief executive of the domestic violence charity Nia, said: “The use of excessive violence or desecration after death challenges narratives of momentary loss of control that are especially prevalent in relation to domestic violence.

“Instead it highlights the brutality and misogyny that men bring to their violence against women whether dead or alive and challenges benign rationales given by men which are often accepted and repeated in media coverage of the killings of women.”

Smith said the report challenged widely held assumptions about the nature of violence in society. “The dominant perception of knife crime is one of young men and street violence yet the Femicide Census tells us that 47% of women were killed by knives or sharp objects; in fact, this is the most common method used by men to kill women,” she said.

“It may also surprise some to learn that 40% of women killed by men were aged over 45 and 14% were over the age of 66. Where analyses of violent crime do not look at sex disaggregated data, violence against women continues to be overlooked and made invisible.”

Katie Ghose, the chief executive of Women’s Aid, called on the government to ensure its domestic abuse bill, due to be published imminently, delivered both the legislation and the resources needed to respond effectively to domestic abuse.

“Time and time again, we hear of cases where a woman has been killed by a man as an ‘isolated incident’; yet the latest Femicide Census report shows yet again that this is not the case,” she said. “The majority of these cases are not isolated incidents. There are too many similarities in the circumstances where women are killed by men.”

The Femicide Census contains information on more than 1,000 women killed by men in England and Wales since 2009, Northern Ireland as of 2015 and Scotland as of 2017. A number of cases of suspected femicide are still under investigation, making it likely that the real 2017 figure is higher than that recorded by the report.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/18/femicide-in-uk-76-of-women-killed-by-men-in-2017-knew-their-killer

Porn surely has to be considered as a factor. I gather it's ridiculously easy for even children to see extreme violent porn online. Some men seem to delude themselves that women want to be humiliated, or even physically abused. Some women believe this is just how it is for women. We need far better control over what children and teenagers see on the net and all of them should be getting decent relationships education with a big emphasis on consent and mutual respect.

''In School Shootings, 'He Just Snapped' Is a Myth''
blogs.edweek.org/edweek/rulesforengagement/2014/08/in_school_shootings_he_just_snapped_is_a_myth_psychologist_says.html

A psychologist explains that students 'leak' before they act out.
In the context of DV risk assessment we call these tells 'red flags', and Gavin de Becker refers to them as Pre Incident Indicators. - PINs'.
They are warning signs people give that they are at an increased risk of acting out in a violent way.

In my previous post I gave another link that people may find useful.

A minority of men are killers.

But a large number of men are violent towards women. Quarter of all women are subjected to domestic violence in their lifetime, half experience sexual harassment in the workplace. The small number of murders come out of a large pool of men who regularly are violent towards women. It is not useful to ignore the wide spread of male on female violence and pretend that the small number of murders are some kind of freak incident. They are grounded in the othering of girls and women that boys are exposed to from an early age that allow them as men to not treat women as equals but as objects to be oogled at or groped or hit or raped or murdered.

Porn surely has to be considered as a factor. I gather it's ridiculously easy for even children to see extreme violent porn online. Some men seem to delude themselves that women want to be humiliated, or even physically abused.

I'm not convinced of this - bit like the TV/Film causes violence debate. Yes, that porn exists and is findable. There is also lots of porn about male humiliation (for the men that like that sort of thing), which is findable. It doesn't mean youngsters bother with either of those genres, however. But, perhaps my understanding of the prevalence of particular porn types is inaccurate.
And even if they are watching it, not sure it alters behaviour. A while back the 'home invasion horror' genre was really big. I don't recall a following rise in actual home invasions.

But a large number of men are violent towards women

Perhaps, but my experience doesn't support this (perhaps I live in a bubble; I'm not saying I don't).
What I do see indirect evidence of is one man who manages (unbelievably to the outsider) to bounce from relationship to relationship leaving a trail of destruction in his path.

Adamnicol Do you not see that your individual experience is irrelevant, as is that of the other person you refer to? It's the statistically significant results of the overall picture that matter. And I would have thought that as a teacher you would have appreciated this.

Man thinks violent porn isn't a problem. Fuck man, how old is this script?

Threads pop up here all the time in which a man is displaying more red flags than a red flag brigade. Women are told LTB or that behaviour is not acceptable etc. How about we start by teaching Lundy Bancroft and red flag behaviour to children. So by the time they reach the age of relationships most will be able to recognise red flags.

This has just been posted on another thread;

WeRiseUp Tue 18-Dec-18 11:29:46
''And this is really infuriating because it demonstrates that annoying habit of members of the oppressor class (in whichever way you slice it) of saying "I didn't see it" or "Its never happened to me" therefore "I don't believe it is real" or "It can't be much of a problem". It's the ignorance of one's own privilege.''

Its also used as a way of minimizing, of belittling concerns, and of trying to shut down the discussion.

And not make life horrible for women who leave abusive relationships. She will be celebrated and helped back on her feet and her and her children will be given protection against the abuser. Because a man who abuses the mother of his children is abusing his children.

Considering porn, particularly violent porn, depicts hostile sexism, overt objectification, graphic sex geared almost entirely toward the male gaze and male pleasure, and may also involve women who have been trafficked and/or coerced, I would think that porn is actually part of the problem and has more of a negative effect on how women are viewed by men than - say - a "racy" drama on the BBC or the 50 shades film on Sky Movies.

Upstart I don't suffer from erectile dysfunction therefore it doesn't exist and viagra should be binned.

Ignoring the fact I am female.

Strangulation is a risk factor for DV. Before it appeared in porn it was not widely accepted as a normal sexual practice.

I think being strangled means a higher chance of being murdered. I read that somewhere.

Apart from anything else @AdamNichol you deliberately have joined a thread about the epidemic of male violence against woman, just to argue the toss about it.

Do you realise this isn't academic for the rest of us in this thread? This is real and terrifying and urgent. It's not something we're discussing because it's a Tuesday afternoon at work and we're idly bored. We're discussing it because our friends and daughters and sisters are being slaughtered.

C'mon man. Think about what you're doing.

Re TV causes violence: I don’t believe that either, that is overly simplistic. But TV reflects the values and preoccupations of its viewers: if it didn’t, people wouldn’t watch. The predominance of violence in film and TV is, to me, symptomatic of something in our culture being deeply fucked up, and that same thing is the cause of male violence.

Man thinks violent porn isn't a problem
Man thinks violent porn is convenient scapegoat for more complex issue. Happy to be proven wrong as this at least has a less complex solution.

not widely accepted as a normal sexual practice
Without too much of the "personal-experience-is-all" route, is this really widely accepted as normal sexual practice. The only times I have ever heard reference to this is in those accidental suicide whilst wanking stories.

Its likely that people don't confide in you. Your ignorance of issues women routinely deal with is not our problem and not relevant to this discussion.

I think being strangled means a higher chance of being murdered

You can die from the effects of strangulation a long time after the fact, without realising you needed to seek medical help until too late.
And it's something that needs better information about, as I think it can be viewed by some as lesser than hitting, kicking, or using some sort of implement; whereas it can actually be far more dangerous

I think porn can be a contributing factor to the general message that boys receive as they are growing up that girls and women are inferior and are happy/prepared to accept being treated that way. Girls are receiving the same messages the other way, leading to them believing that they are inferior to boys and acting accordingly.

If you truly believe you are superior to someone else, in some people that simply manifests as a tendency to be patronising and take on a sort of benevolent attitude towards looking after that person. In others, it comes out as a tendency to expect the inferior person to do what you want and an outraged disbelief if they don't do that.

This is why it is not uncommon for men to sulk when their partners have babies as suddenly they are no longer the centre of attention. Should a woman dare to leave such a man, he may be outraged at what he sees as her betrayal or insolence at failing to consider him in all things. In some men this can lead to a desire to punish her, either by killing her or by killing their children (sometimes leaving her alive as the ultimate punishment). Such men rarely see their children (or their partners) as actual human beings - they see them as their possessions so they can do what they like to them.

If society could find a way of ensuring that children grow up feeling like they are equals, perhaps there would be less violence against women and children.

But boys grow up thinking that their interests, their toys, their books, everything about them, are superior to those marketed towards girls. There is no equivalent term for the dismissive "chick lit", for example. Equally, TV programmes that attract a largely female audience - soaps, celebrity competitions, lifestyle programmes - are often commented on as being vacant or worthless. There is an awful lot of equally pointless TV/books out there marketed at men but there is never the same level of derision aimed at it.

The message boys and girls get is that what women are seen as being interested in or do is worth less than what boys and men do. This is insidious and it is very very dangerous for anyone to grow up feeling they are inherently superior to someone else.

Your ignorance of issues women routinely deal with is not our problem and not relevant to this discussion

So, whilst I try to further my understanding here; you don't think it pertinent to the discussion to get a perspective on how other people might be misinformed about the scale and causes of the issue?

What I meant was when someone puts their hands around your throat once they are more likely to kill you in the future. I know what strangulation is.

Were you fuck trying to further your understanding. You were trying to not gloss over dead women by glossing over them by saying what about men. End of.

Man thinks violent porn is convenient scapegoat for more complex issue.

It's not at all a scapegoat. The majority of porn depicts acts of violence being done to women. Obvious such as choking and slapping but also subtle references such as her being called a bitch/slut or the man pressing her head/face down into the mattress with his hand during sex. In porn, all women are submissive and even the ones who say "no" can be persuaded while all men are dominant and have a right to be satisfied.

Happy to be proven wrong as this at least has a less complex solution.

There are many studies out there showing the link between porn and violence, a quick Google will bring them up.