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To exclude one child (out of 21)? Christmas cards at nursery

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QwertyLou · 13/12/2018 11:11

To be clear, I don’t want to leave this little lad out (nor does DS - they’re good mates) but we have to, due to his parents’ request.

So it’s more of a “how do I handle this?”

I wasn’t going to worry about Christmas cards this year (we did them last year - one for each child in his room).

But today I ended up cutting up cardboard, setting up paints, stamps etc and helped him make cards... He’s been home sick - quite lethargic, but well enough to need occupying.

We now have 21 Christmas cards, lovingly handcrafted and ready to go!

Only now do I remember about this little lad. And wish I thought of something else to keep DS occupied!

Last year, DS loved handing out the cards and the kids were excited to get them. After they all ran off, one of the Mums said “Sorry - we don’t celebrate Christmas” and handed her son’s card back to me (very politely and privately).

I think I said “Oh sorry!” or something inane, and tucked the card into my handbag. It was slightly awkward but all very polite, I soon forgot all about it.

Anyway - a year later, I’ve used it as a teaching moment and explained to my son about different religions and customs.

(my Mum did the same for me, I’d chosen the “Hail Mary” and she said matter-of-factly “oh some of the girls are Protestant and they don’t pray to Mary, choose another prayer!”

My son is fine with the religion discussion but says “Billy” “will be sad if I give a card to everyone but not to him!”

If Billy was a confident, bolshie little boy it would be easier. But he seems a very sensitive little soul. He was overjoyed to be invited to my son’s birthday party because he doesn’t tend to get invited to things often.

I once watched a little girl handing out invites and Billy was beaming, waiting for his. And when he didn’t get one his face... just crumpled and his eyes filled with tears. I just wanted to pick him up and give him the biggest cuddle!

TL;DR - how should my son hand out 20 cards without being mean to the one child he can not give one to?

Are there any non-Christmas celebrators who would be comfortable saying what you would want done?

PS. If I’d remembered earlier, I would have got him to make cards for people outside nursery.

PPS. They don’t have book bags.

OP posts:
splink · 15/12/2018 21:46

What a long and pointless thread. They do not celebrate Christmas and do not want a card. They have been quite explicit about this. Don' t give them a card - you're attitude seems rather intolerant and selfish. No?

hoki · 15/12/2018 22:43

What @splink said

cl61reb · 15/12/2018 22:45

Change it to a Happy Holidays or Happy new year card :)

Ilovedotcotton · 15/12/2018 22:54

Yup, I’m with @splink too

MadameButterface · 15/12/2018 22:57

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QwertyLou · 15/12/2018 23:53

Um that was 2 months ago when they were still phasing them out in prep for being big kids with lockers only? Confused

What a weird thing to pick on.

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wikedminx · 16/12/2018 00:33

OP, I think the idea of a card expressing friendship is a super idea.
I know all the details of the family are not known.. but my heart goes out to the wee lad if they are JW!!
One thing that really annoys me is when they call themselves a religion... No they are a cult!!
I suggest that people go watch cults and extreme beliefs episode re: jehovah's witnesses!!
I have the misfortune to work with a member of this cult, and she has to be the biggest hypocrite i have ever come across! and I am comparing to the Wee Free's I had misfortune to come across living in Scotland! The jw at work will not take part in any birthday celebrations, but will then stuff herself with cake the next day, saying its not for a celebration now! The team she leads is short staffed at the moment, she has taken time off until after Christmas, leaving the team, so of whom would like to celebrate Christmas with their families stuck working as not able to get back to their loved ones and back in 2 days...
PAH!!

Hodge00079 · 16/12/2018 01:10

As with all religions members will be different. Some strict and others not so.

I don’t think JW. Not taking card but birthdays ok is a contradiction. If less strict birthdays may be ok but would likely accept card.

Also being cagey around Mother’s Day. I think a JW would take this as an opportunity to preach.

Is it even religious? May be don’t believe in commercial driven events?

HestiaParthenos · 16/12/2018 01:20

As with all religions members will be different. Some strict and others not so

No. JWs are a cult. That's just a fact, that's how things are, and in a cult, every branch is as strict as the other.

There's some branches of religions that behave cult-like, but aren't organized enough to be a "proper" cult, but that doesn't apply to JWs, they operate the same world-wide, and often DO operate world-wide from what I heard.

Amish live low-tech, but will prioritize the lives of children and go to the hospital.
Quakers differ in how strictly they adhere to "plain dress" and how they interpret it.

JWs are the same everywhere, and if they accepted blood transfusions to save a child's life, they would be disfellowshipped and not be JWs anymore. That's how things are in a cult.

People who just dislike commercial driven events don't act so cruelly against children. I would know. I hate all this money making shit and turning Christmas into an opportunity to harm the environment, produce waste and spend money.

I'd still let a child have something that makes him happy.

HestiaParthenos · 16/12/2018 01:24

@OP:

Perhaps have your son write something nice on a large cookie and tell the boy to eat it before his parents come to pick him up.

Or make a card for him, show it to him, and tell him your son is going to keep it safe for him, but it belongs to him.

I'd normally respect parent's wishes, but not with cult members and not when they are so unwilling to compromise even with the child's wellbeing at stake.

cadburysflake · 16/12/2018 01:42

12 page long thread over sending a Christmas card Jesus (Xmas Grin)!! They don't want you to send their child a card, don't send a card. It's sad for the child that they are left out but that's their choice.

sashh · 16/12/2018 08:44

When I look at the many prophecies that have come true and we are on the verge of the last remaining,

Errr wasn't Armageddon supposed to be in 1918? Which BTW I could understand people believing, a huge war followed by a devastating flu.

SoupDragon · 16/12/2018 08:50

When I look at the many prophecies that have come true

Which would they be?

TBH, I refuse to have anything to do with them as a religion when one doorstepper told my mother she could repent for allowing me to have a life saving blood transfusion when I was born. That particular JW was a cunt.

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TheChristmasBear · 16/12/2018 09:08

That’s funny Bertrand because you do come over as a zealot.

There’s a fervent religiosity to your anti-religiousness. Not to mention entrenched, closed minded and arrogant secure in the absolute truth of your beliefs.

Verisimilitude attained by bald assertion is not the same as truth btw.

Mollypolly123 · 16/12/2018 09:19

I'm glad Jws are known as a world wide religion it fulfills prophecy, witnesses want best treatments and there are alternatives to blood, many non witnesses have this as well, a witness would not neccessarily be disfellowship for having blood, my mothers friend died from having g blood, imagine how bad a witness would feel if they accepted blood and that happened ? There are lot of lies out there regarding them, but they adhere to their lifestyle guide book the Bible and believe that the creator knows how best for us to live, we wouldn't be in this awful messed up cruel world if we listened , truly listened to him

bastardkitty · 16/12/2018 09:29

I'm not really sure what all of this ^ is supposed to actually mean, but religions that support 'disfellowship' are basically leaving themselves wide open to accusations that they are cults and thrive on control and abuse.

Schmoobarb · 16/12/2018 09:34

Why is it your problem? You’re completely overthinking it.

The other mum sounds a bit miserable as well. What bloody harm does one card do. Are they Jehovah’s Witnesses? That’s what I’d imagine them being like instead of just politely taking the card.

Schmoobarb · 16/12/2018 09:35

Haven’t read the whole thread sorry if that’s come up already

LL83 · 16/12/2018 09:41

Seasons greetings is not religious but still Christmas season imo.

I think bought Christmas cards are difficult to class as anything else.

I think you have to ask mum if home made friend card is ok. If it isn't say what can you give so he isn't left out, maybe just a drawing not folded into card?

SoupDragon · 16/12/2018 10:08

There are lot of lies out there regarding them

I judge them individually by what I see. I don't care what a person believes, just don't try to force your beliefs onto me or tell my mother, whilst I am standing right there, that she should have let me die as a newborn.

hmmwhatatodo · 16/12/2018 10:40

I’m laughing at the thought of getting into the school and telling a child to gobble up a cookie before the parents come to collect.

BertrandRussell · 16/12/2018 10:42

@TheChristmasBear- Happy Christmas!

Hairyfairy01 · 16/12/2018 12:51

I wouldn't give any type of card to 'Billy' but get your son to draw him a lovely picture, totally avoiding anything Christmassy on it.

ihatehoney · 16/12/2018 12:59

I can't help but think that's such a sad upbringing for the child, I've just read up on Jehovahs Witnesses and I just can't understand why they wouldn't celebrate birthdays? It's simply your day of birth? No weird pagan meaning or anything? 😕

They must get left out of so many activities at school and outside of school🙁 I'm not Christian and neither were a lot of my friends but we still took part in lessons and assembly's at school regarding Christianity, it's just a lesson- you don't have to believe it, but I do think it's important to learn about other religions to prevent prejudice in later life! Surely these people are raising children that later on won't understand many world issues?