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Who is BU? My (bereved) husband wanting to go to the pub Xmas day

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Zara85 · 12/12/2018 15:39

I am fully aware that I may be the one who is unreasonable here. But I need opinions.
Dh lost his mum earlier this year in very sad circumstances. They were very close.
We spoke about xmas a while ago and he agreed he wanted us to host to change things up a bit.
He doesn't have any family left really so it'll be just my family (who he is very close to).
We have 2 young dc who still nap at lunchtime so we have said we will do Xmas lunch at 1pm, meaning the dc can eat with us and then go to bed.
Last night dh announced he will be going to the pub at 12pm Xmas day to raise a glass to his mum with his friends. He will be back for 1pm to eat.
To be honest I'm really cross! It's going to be a hectic hour for me, hosting / cooking / looking after our 2dc. I have told him so and asked if he could not go to the pub Xmas eve instead but he has said no. He thinks I'm being really selfish as I am seeing my family all day.
I think he's being selfish but then I can't imagine how he must be feeling!
AIBU?

OP posts:
celticprincess · 13/12/2018 21:00

Back in the day my dad would always go to thre pub in a Sunday whilst mum was making lunch. When we got to older primary age we would go with him. He would do the same in Christmas Day too whilst dinner was being made.

I hosted lunch when my youngest was a toddler and eldest was 5/6 and we were separated but he still came over. He went and picked my dad up and they both went to the pub whilst I managed the small children and juggled to cooking. He did actually come back after one drink and my dad followed up by foot after another but lunch was pretty much done by then.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for him to go for a pint an hour before lunch. Lots of people like a pint before their roast dinner. Get him to help prep everything before he goes.

Lianne1977 · 13/12/2018 21:08

So pleased you came to an agreement 😄 life is never the same without your parents x

parry45 · 13/12/2018 21:40

If he's lost his mum and your family will be there and being it's Xmas I think it must be really hard for him. Of course it will be stressful for you with the cooking and children, entertaining etc, but in my life experience of not having my mum I would give him the hour out.

Purpleartichoke · 13/12/2018 21:45

I’m glad you found a solution. I’ve come to realize that celebrating with my DH’s family is going to drain me a bit this year. It’s the first Christmas without my Mom. We rarely saw her on Christmas so it isn’t like I’ll be missing a specific tradition we did together, but we always video chatted.

parry45 · 13/12/2018 21:45

Completely agree kewcumber!!

PrimalLass · 13/12/2018 21:50

Toasting late mum vs spending time with living family and making memories with and for dcs. I think he needs to reassess his priorities.

Oh do be quiet. Let the poor man go for a pint with his friends to toast his mum. The lunch can wait.

hellsbellsmelons · 14/12/2018 08:27

I'm glad it's sorted OP.
It's going to be a horrible time.
I'm not sure how Christmas will go for us this.
1st Christmas without my little sister who was always the life and soul.
I hope you all manage to have a good time.

Holldstock1 · 14/12/2018 16:37

I got to page 7 and couldn't stomach reading anymore because there are some really unfortunate and unsympathetic posts on here.

I've cooked every Christmas Dinner mostly on my own, hosting family and/or friends from when my children were babies up until my hubby and our now grown up children started helping out more and even taking it in turns who is doing the big event. I also do remember exactly how difficult it can be with small children and visitors. It is a juggling act and can be extremely stressful.

I also lost my own mum 5 years ago, and I also do voluntary counselling with a bereavement charity.

No matter how well your husband has shown you he's coping with losing his mother, he is still grieving for her and 'not over it'. People don't just magically go back to normal within a few weeks or months. Even 6 - 12 months on (or longer) his emotions can be swinging back and forth like a pendulum from the extreme of feeling totally devastated through to the middle ground of numbly functioning with day to day family life because he has to, and the more positive extreme of finding meaning or joy in life again, which can make him feel guilty about being happy when she's dead and plunge him back into his bereavement again.

Whether you or he realise it he will be moving between these two extremes constantly. This is quite normal. The frequency he swings between them is nothing to do with how long its been since she died, its all to do how far along in the grieving process he is. That's different for each person.

Certain times of the year Christmas, New Year, Mother's Day, Easter, her birthday, anniversary of her death, anniversary of the funeral and whatever other dates have meaning for him are going to be really painful and will be for a number of years. This is also completely normal. And the worst ones are often the Firsts. The First Christmas, the First Birthday etc.

So this Christmas he will be emotionally all over the place, and despite the happiness of a family Christmas with you and your children, even with the distraction of having your family there - everything will highlight that his mum is no longer around. Things have moved on around him but he's trapped in his loss.

Its not wrong to have your family there this year, its just different, and its facing and accepting that things are now different with this mum gone that he is in the process of doing - but its going to take time. There is no right or wrong way to grieve or for him to act or react. He's never lost his mum before. Its a first for him. He's trying to cope with something he's never experienced before for the first time and its hard.

In the same way you are changing things by having your family round, he needs to change things as well within himself as a way to work towards accepting his loss. I suspect he's going to the pub to meet with friends where he can just be himself and feel his grief without spoiling Christmas for you, the children and your family. This is giving himself important time to mark the occasion and give him a chance to think of her before returning to the whir of busy family celebration. He's not trying to shut out his loss, he's facing it, and its quite healthy and brave to do that.

Everyone grieves differently. There is no right or wrong way. But he needs your help to get through this Christmas and if that means taking an hour out to raise a glass in private to his mum with the support of friends I'd facilitate that if its what he needs. Surely your family can help you with dinner and with the children. By supporting you, they are supporting him. Why doesn't your dad go with him.

Yes that divides the 'boys' and the 'girls' and people here have already cried out in protest of inconsiderate sexism. But unless that's what your husband is like every day, I'd say its not sexist stereotyping but grief. Grief isn't sexist or discriminatory it equally hurts people of each gender.

You could possibly consider maybe doing something for your husband in a quiet time on the day when its not as busy to show you are also respecting his loss. Maybe planting a Christmas Rose in the garden in her memory - Hellebores are perennials and come back and flower at this time of the year, year on year.

And OP, I do understand the pressure, but then take that pressure off yourself and stop trying to do everything perfectly this year. An important member of the family has died and things are allowed to accommodate that. Plus when you have small children you need to cut yourself some slack and allow that little ones have a way of making the best laid plans go kaput.

Factor in SCRF - Small Child Random Factor so if it doesn't go to perfect timing then so be it - its not the end of the world. Your family will understand. You will have plenty of future family Christmases where you get it all to run smoothly (so speaks the paranoid planning control freak here), but your husband only has 1 First Christmas without his mum.

Hohocabbage · 14/12/2018 16:42

I was feeling ok about first Christmas without my mum, children still want the magic, and to be honest my mum would be really annoyed with me if I didn’t have a good time. This thread is making me feel it will awful start to finish. But I grieve for her most days, silly things that set me off like seeing something in the shop she used to like to eat. I don’t know if Christmas will necessarily be worse.

kateandme · 14/12/2018 17:14

aww op good to see you got this sorted.sounds like you two have a good thing.we all have the control freak moments and/or time where we act totally UR to family.on here it can look to others worse or better than it is.but ur family youll sort it and u did.
im just impressed your having lunch by 1.30! I don't thiknweve even prepped the veg by then!

Jasmin82 · 14/12/2018 20:37

I'm spending part of my first Christmas without both parents with one of my friends from school. The first Christmas without my Mum, I did Christmas Dinner while my Dad was taken to the pub by his BIL for drinks and to raise a toast to Mum. It didn't bother me, as we both needed a bit of space to remember privately. It was the last Christmas he was well enough to go to the pub for a drink, so, now I'm spending my first Christmas without both parents, I'm glad he got that hour or 2 to have a drink on Christmas Day.

PrickWhittington · 14/12/2018 22:46

That is such a good post Holldstock1 - much of it sums up my feelings and emotions so well. I'm just into the second year without my Mum but my grief is still so painful, but also so unpredictable. I'm not sure if it can be compounded as well when death is very sudden, as it was for me and OP's DH - when someone is ill I think some of the grieving is done whilst the person is still alive, and if not it hits all at once. Also, the regrets you have - not saying goodbye/ being there can really haunt you for a long long time, and cause the most awful feelings of guilt too.

I also find grief can be very irrational, I sometimes see people much older than myself with one or even both parents, as well as other family and it feels horribly unfair, and I just want to get away from them. The year of firsts as you say is awful - it does almost feel wrong and disrespectful to be happy or celebrating anything at all really when someone so central to your life has gone, never to return.

I think the OP sounds lovely and thoughtful, and is doing the right thing - a breather and a drink or two for an hour or so could make all the difference in how well he manages to cope throughout the day. It will be bloody hard for him no matter what- being surrounded by big happy families when everyone in yours has gone can be a comfort, but also a huge reminder of what you have lost.

I know worse happens to people (as thank God, I have never lost a child) but for me, it's no exaggeration to say that not only will Christmas never be the same without my Mum, nothing will. I can only assume some of those who left the more heartless posts have not had similar happen to them, I just hope if it ever happens to them people show a bit more compassion than they have. TBH, my Mum's memory is more important to me than the timing of any glorified Sunday roast, and I would have been so hurt, and angry too, if someone had told me I wasn't allowed to go and raise a glass to her, convenient or not.

I tried to be 'strong' and get through Christmas Day last year, the result as I said was me turning the oven off and buggering off for a walk for a good hour or two to avoid a Jeremy Kyle type scene (started by my eldest DS criticising my gravy Smile ). What I actually should have done in hindsight is realised how emotionally charged the day would be, and plan some sort of outlet/ time for myself just as OP's DH has done. Come Mother's Day, I understood my grief well enough to know not to go out for a meal with the DC's as seeing so many others with their Mum still would have broken my heart.

It's an absolute killer that first year, and people just need to be kind. I'm think I'm quite a forgiving person, but I can think of at least two good friends of mine who I will never speak to again for being thoughtless or uncaring after I lost my Mum - adding further hurt to me when I was already in so much pain, intentional or not was just beyond the realms of my forgiveness, and I think OP could have caused some serious resentment or damage to her marriage if she had made a huge issue of it.

PrickWhittington · 14/12/2018 22:50

Flowers for you Jasmin82. Losing all those loved ones, and close together too, must be awful. I hope your Christmas goes as well as it can under the circumstances. Be kind to yourself.

XXcstatic · 15/12/2018 11:26

Great posts, Holldstock1 and PrickWhittington and it's good to hear that the OP and her DH have found a compromise.

As for some of the absolute twats other posters on here, I hope that, when you go through bereavement, you receive a lot more kindness and empathy than you have displayed in your posts.

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