To not care whether people say sex or gender.

[TeeJay1970]

Many people and organisations use these words interchangerbly. The meaning is always clear. I actually don't give a stuff if others disagree.

Yabu
You claim not to care. That is clearly false as you have started a thread and are arguing your point
If you genuinely didn't care you wouldn't have bothered

Gender studies at Brighton Poly?

Far more mainstream than that! I think probably GCSE. My ks3 children know the difference but the curriculum has probably changed. For all I know the OP could be some maths whizz and would secretly judge me for still getting confused over trigonometry. It is fairly standard Biology/Sociology though.

*It factually correct to say gender to mean male of female

It isn't*

"Gender" means the fact of being either male or female. "Sex" means either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

Sounds pretty similar to me. I also don't get the hysteria about the two words. I only ever seem to see this on MN .

get back to me when unprotected gender causes pregnancy
and possibly gender-ually transmitted diseases
which of course can have gender specific symptoms
because we are of course a gender dimorphic species like most mammals

Having the words to describe specific concepts, and using them precisely is surprisingly important, practically biologically and philosophically. If you cant define it or describe it you cant discuss it.

Totally different meanings. Please check. Consequences can be terrible

no, I don't care either

Yes, well when you are changing in front of a 6ft bloke with his todger out because his 'gender indentity' is 'female' or your daughter is competing in sports with men twice her size whose 'gender identity' is 'female' then you might wish you had given more of a fuck. Or maybe not?

care
NOUN
1 The provision of what is necessary for the health, welfare, maintenance, and protection of someone or something.
2 Serious attention or consideration applied to doing something correctly or to avoid damage or risk.

VERB

1 often with negative Feel concern or interest; attach importance to something.
2 care for Look after and provide for the needs of.

the point, rasberry which I think sailed over your head was exactly that the two words are not interchangable, they have different contexts and meanings, can be verbs or nouns, can describe a state or action.
It really matters which one is used in each context, and I gave 4 examples of situations where the two terms cannot be used interchangably

and when you talk to someone whos foof hurts
the first thing you often have to explore and clarify is exactly what they mean when they talk about their minny or flower eg do they mean external vulval discomfort or internal/vaginal; you may end up with the same result -( an appropriate examination or treatment) but you only get there by discussing and clarifying until you are clear on a shared meaning of the words and terms

It does matter.

I have been told by children I teach that “You can take pills to change your sex... or is it gender?” and “Men can have babies now”.

They have been totally confused by adults who talk about gender without caring what it means.

I think you might actually care OP

Has anyone got the burns kit out yet? 😳

I have been told by children I teach that “You can take pills to change your sex... or is it gender?” and “Men can have babies now”.

Yes, this. If kids are being taught that you can change sex or that men can have babies then that is a serious problem. On another thread there is a quote saying that 'non-binary people are neither male nor female'.

No. Just no.

It never seems to work the other way

My childrens friends say they have different genders, as someone said upthread apparently there are 72

When these children say that they are agender or gender fluid no one runs up to them and says 'sex.....you mean sex'

So the words cant be used interchangeably surely,

"the two words are not interchangable"

Says whom? You? On what authority?

They're self-evidently interchangable for a significant number of the population.

"the first thing you often have to explore and clarify is exactly what they mean when they talk about their minny or flower"

And the same if they said vulva or vagina. It makes no difference.

Stop being so gendering patronising. You're yet to make a succint argument. Gender!

I don’t care either

I'm with you OP.

It depends doesn’t it?

If you’re taking about your personal baby scan - doesn’t matter.

If it’s councils misrepresenting the Equality Act - matters.

I find the nit picking over this on here awful aswell.
It’s ok for a poster to say they found out the sex of their child to help them feel bonded. I think this is perfectly valid comment and it’s not usually jumped on.
But you don’t actually bond with the sex do you? You bond with the idea of having a son (and the social masculine constructs of this) or a daughter (and likewise the feminine social constructs).
You can’t bond with the male or female biological genes of your child.
So in these instances I think the posters saying gender are actually correct!
But I think an element of irritating snobbery also comes into it as well, in terms of wanting to bond with the gender of your child. You always have people commenting Why would you put your newborn in anything gender specific, I dressed my dc in white and gray until they were five or clothes of both Genders so as not to impose societal norms or expectations on them

When in fact everyone i know in real life has a baby and is delighted to receive gender specific items, and totally bonds with the idea of a child of male or female gender.

Can I ask, what is gender?

What is the new definition that isn't in the dictionary yet? Does anyone have a succinct definition?

If kids are being taught that you can change sex or that men can have babies then that is a serious problem.

Schools are also being advised by the Sex Education Forum, a charity that advises schools on how to teach relationships and sex education, that we must teach children that “Most, but not all, boys have a penis and most, but not all girls have a vagina”. I have personally been told by their head of training and practice that to do otherwise contravenes the Equality Act 2010.

So if schools are being compelled to subscribe to this bullshit, it makes perfect sense to say gender and sex are the same thing.

hallumi

I dont correct people though i might ask for clarification

But i agree with your baby comments

I used to agree with you OP, the terms used to be used interchangeably.

But when the Girl Guides moved from single sex to single gender and started letting in male bodied people and allowing male bodied teens to sleep in the same tents as girls without the knowledge or consent of the girls' parents, I changed my mind.

It’s ok for a poster to say they found out the sex of their child to help them feel bonded. I think this is perfectly valid comment and it’s not usually jumped on.
But you don’t actually bond with the sex do you? You bond with the idea of having a son (and the social masculine constructs of this) or a daughter (and likewise the feminine social constructs).
You can’t bond with the male or female biological genes of your child. *

This makes so much sense and I've never thought of it like that before!