is it really possible corbyn will get into in #10 ?

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wtf ? why on earth would anyone with half a brain cell think that is a good thing ? if labour do succeed then hopefully he'd get ousted for someone else instead. the current government have left me very disillusioned but corbyn...really ??
what are your thoughts ?

JustAnotherPoster00 1 week later. 1 fucking week.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-universal-credit-benefit-system-scrap-rework-rename-john-mcdonnell-shami-chakrabarti-a8583241.html

But I'm sure that we'll have a warm glow going to foodbanks under Corbyn's UC instead of the Tories' UC. That will make all the difference.

Mo Mowlem, Nye Bevin ..my heroes.

I really hope not, I'm genuinely terrified that this is even slightly possible.

Alltheprettyseahorses twats, of that I have no doubt and I'm under no illusions that they arent shit but Id rather they focus upwards with the shit which is what they propose to do rather than this constant downward shit the Tories keep sending my way

I'm genuinely terrified that this is even slightly possible.

I think you'll need to stop taking the msm headlines as fact that might alleviate some of the terror, or come and live my life when they transfer me over onto UC and I automatically lose £66 a week for still being disabled, you'll know what terror at another 5 years of the Tory party feels like

In the last Labour manifesto, Corbyn promised to abolition tuition fees, benefiting mainly middle class families, but not to reverse benefit cuts. How do Corbynites justify that? Yet there he was last Wednesday, giving May an easy ride in PMQs, asking 6 questions about poverty and food banks, to avoid the topic of the hour, Brexit. All she had to do was repeat the answers she'd given the last time he attacked UC.

She must have thought all her Xmases had come at once. It was the first chance anyone had had to question her about 3 defeats the day before and misleading Parliament over the Attorney General's advice. It was left to the Leader of the SNP to ask her about that. His questions were all over the news. No mention of Corbyn whatsoever.

I bet he's still not read the Withdrawal document. Always bunking off from Westminster. Was only working a 3 day week at one point. He said he preferred to spend his time speaking to real people rather than get tied up in meetings. Real people like Stop the War, Free Palestine and Support Cuba activist groups.

He can't even run a Cabinet, let alone a party, never mind the country. He's the only leader who hasn't been able to use all the talents of his party, because he can't work with people with different views. Attlee, Wilson, Blair, Brown managed it. Why can't he?

So, Starmer aside, we're left with people like Dawn Butler, Labour's very own Nadine Dorries, on the front bench, sitting next to him like a nodding dog every Wednesday, while Burnham and Sadiq Khan and Heidi Alexander have left for local government. Thank the Lord for Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves chairing Select C'ttees - something Corbyn was too thick to be asked to do - and backbenchers like David Lammy and Stella Creasy.

I don't even think he wants to be PM. No way would he be able to put in the sort of hours that May has been working. No time for his pet causes. He'd hate it.

But Milne and Murphy, self-styled chief of staff, are getting their feet well under the table to carry on, even when Corbyn retires. Usually the new leader appoints new staff, but their salaries are now paid by the LP, not from the Leader's allowance. So they won't be out of a job and they'll keep their six figure salaries. Did someone mention Labour values?

I am hoping for a general election followed by a Labour government with JC as prime minister.
The Tories are finished imo.

I would rather Labour with its flawed personnel but morally acceptable mindset; than the Tories, also with their flawed personnel, and their dismissal of huge swathes of people in need whilst feathering the nests of the rich.

Jeremy Corbyn as PM - any worse than Boris Johnson? - do not forget he was Foreign Secretary but a short while ago. Gove? What a self-centred shower!

If you don't want Labour and JC, then whats your alternative? another 5 years of Austerity and tax cuts for the wealthy? the proposed funding to the NHS just makes good all the cuts its had recently and doesn't address the lack of staff.

Labours 2017 manifesto is slightly left of centre in comparison to european politics, where as the Tory manifesto is more aken to a FN one, indeed in terms of leaving Europe and benefit cuts, way ahead.

Also, Corbyn isn't the Labour party, he is almost 70 and will soon be replaced, he also has to follow conference and PPL policy, he cannot dictate.

I really hope not, I'm genuinely terrified that this is even slightly possible

Me too and we will leave the UK if he does.

Thymeout.. I think you sound like someone who understands politics and has a balanced view. Given the current state of affairs, if I was younger, I would get involved at a party level. If you are not already involved, I think you might make a good politician. What worries me with Corbyn and Momentum is the deselection of Labour candidates. The extreme Left are as dangerous as the extreme Right.

The Labour party with Hillary Benn as leader would get my support.

If you don't want Labour and JC, then whats your alternative? another 5 years of Austerity and tax cuts for the wealthy?

No I don’t want another 5 years of Tory’s. I’ve never voted Tory in my life and I’m in my 50s. But I won’t vote Labour whilst Corbyn and his friends are leading the party.

As much as I’m really not keen on JC —the thought of him in power makes me shiver— the very idea that the Tory party remains in power is a far worse thought. People are literally dying under their austerity measures and that needs to end. So if it comes to it, I’d vote Lab as the lesser of two evils because there is no other viable option.

Having lived through Thatcher/Major as an adult, I can tell you that one of the things that keeps the Tories in is an unelectable Labour leader.
Get rid of this numpty first and then you can get the Tories out. John Smith was well on the way to doing it before he died. Blair took over and [whisper it] did plenty of good until the Iraq debacle.

i think if the tory`s stay in any longer the work houses will be started again.

torys do need extra population to fill their BTL portfolio and work for their companies with cheap labour. immigration needs to stay high as brits are too lazy having babies they cant afford and living off tax credits.

No I don’t want another 5 years of Tory’s. I’ve never voted Tory in my life and I’m in my 50s. But I won’t vote Labour whilst Corbyn and his friends are leading the party.

Ditto!

I can't vote for a Labour that doesn't oppose Brexit tooth and nail. Can't do it. I also can't vote for Momentum. The rest of the smaller parties have no hope.

I'd love to get rid of FPTP and have a reasonable PR system. I think it's going to be the only way out of governmental deadlock and hung parliaments for us in the future. Probably won't happen, but we may see the formation of a/some more centrist party/ies.

JC is currently the least worst, at least he'll be removed by internal Labour shenanigans if he scrapes in. The alternatives? Johnson, RM, Gove. Javid? The irony of that in the current climate deserves its own thread. The Others? Or Nige with his 'new' centrist party? Everthing makes me shudder. Nobody is fit for the job which leaves a dictator/civil war shaped hole where we once had a democracy. Awful times.

Just put it this way.
People said that Trump would never become President and look what happened.
I actually foresee a Labour Government

I really hope he does

I hope never - we pay enough tax as higher rate payers already.

Enough is enough

See they need a new leader the thing is I always find the whole thing pointless.
I as a single mother to a severely disabled child will never ever vote tories.
Usually labour is an obvious vote for me ... but I do dislike Corbyn however if I had to
Choose for my child’s sake I would still vote labour.

If you actually want a Labour Government, the only way to get one is to dump Corbyn.
Corbyn should be way ahead in the polls with the performance of this current shower of Tories and yet he isn't. Because he is unelectable.
If you really want a Labour Government, dump this numpty.

I agree with you Bellini. Labour won't get into power because of Corbyn, no matter what the Tories do. Its very easy to give out imaginary sweeties and say they will renationalise the railways, until they are actually in charge of the budget and have to do it without decimating public sector pensions. Or when they find out that 'Tax the Rich' doesn't wash when 'the rich' will be those earning over 30k for there to be enough money to pay for all the stuff they have promised. And they have no idea what they are doing on Brexit. What kind of deal will they get in Europe when they wade in with their vague 6 tests that they cant even explain trying to overturn a deal already agreed by the 27 members of the EU?

Immigration doesn’t need to stay high. We need to enable people to have the children they want to have but can’t afford to. Immigrants also get older - the solution isn’t to endlessly import new immigrants to support the older ones!