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Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...

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HJWT · 09/12/2018 12:10

I just don't have words

Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...
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VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 17:42

Transactivists - as the extremists, you mean?
Yeah, because there's an extremist side just like on your side.
Extremist either side isn't good.

Avegemitesandwich · 09/12/2018 17:44

Being a woman is not a club.

Exactly. What is all this 'you won't accept them as women' bollocks? There is no 'accepting' to do, you either are a woman or you are not.

Avegemitesandwich · 09/12/2018 17:45

What, for another gotcha twisty twisty loopy loop moment?
No thanks

Translation: I can't answer your question.

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 17:45

Karen White had committed violent offences previously, presented a risk and a decision was made without going through the full levels of discussion. That risk was demonstrated by subsequent events.

Was this person a risk due to being:
a a woman
b trans
c a man?

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 17:46

Verbeena stating that woman = adult, human female is not an extremist position. Sorry but it just isn't.

Stating that men should not be in women's prisons is not an extremist position.

Stating the (FACT) that violent, horrible men will abuse self id is not an extremist position.

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 17:46

Yeah, because there's an extremist side just like on your side

How is wanting women and girls to be safe from men, in sex segregated spaces, extreme?

overnightangel · 09/12/2018 17:48

Yawn @ goady OP
This has been done to death

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 17:49

Um - how is it 'goady'?

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 17:50

Women shouldn't talk about stuff in the news. Remember?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 09/12/2018 17:50

If all it takes to be a woman is to have a female gender identity then if Ian Huntley says he has one he must be a woman.

This is the logical conclusion of the transwomen are women (whilst simultaneously being unable to define 'women') argument.

Either 'woman' is a feeling or it's a biological reality.

Pick one

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 17:51

overnightangel Yawn @ goady OP This has been done to death

Certainly has, this is the third on AIBU this week.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 09/12/2018 17:52

because there's an extremist side just like on your side

what's the extreme gender critical view?

I don't regard understanding that humans can't change sex as being extreme - do you?

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LilyMumsnet · 09/12/2018 17:52

Hi all

Just requesting that we keep things civil, please. The last thing we want to have to do is remove the thread further down the line.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 17:52

sackrifice Women shouldn't talk about stuff in the news. Remember?

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 17:53

Crap, forgot my confused face to go with that quote lol!
Course women can speak about stuff in the news. Confused

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 17:53

Certainly has, this is the third on AIBU this week.

And?

Can you point me to the guidance that says a user cannot post a thread until you have authorised it?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 09/12/2018 17:55

Men cannot use women's spaces, that is all. Not even if they're really, really nice because they are still men. 'Being nice' is not the definition of 'woman'. No one is discriminated against by that rule. Huntley however should just be left to rot; not moved to a women's prison, no stockings, nothing.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 17:58

sackrifice And? Can you point me to the guidance that says a user cannot post a thread until you have authorised it

I didn't say you couldn't post a thread, I was just commenting on someone else's post like others tend to do.
Also people were questioning the existence of any threads and then someone linked to them showing they do.

CougarSquad · 09/12/2018 17:58

If all it takes to be a woman is to have a female gender identity then if Ian Huntley says he has one he must be a woman.

This is the logical conclusion of the transwomen are women (whilst simultaneously being unable to define 'women') argument.

Either 'woman' is a feeling or it's a biological reality.

This.

Huntley introduced police disclose safeguarding.

Huntley may also be responsible for the downfall of what many consider the TWAW illogical movement.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 18:00

seahorses Men cannot use women's spaces, that is all. Not even if they're really, really nice because they are still men

Not everyone says no transwomen at all as even the fully transitioned ones are men though.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 18:01

MNHQ - struggling to see anyone being less than civil here. Confused

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 18:02

Verbeena I cannot make sense of your last post. Are you saying that if a man has cosmetic surgery to make his body look less male that women should accept him as a real woman?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 09/12/2018 18:04

VerbeenaBeeks FYI, regardless of what cosmetic surgery people have had, they do not change sex

transwomen are born men and they remain as such regardless of what they do to their body

including them in a women's only space changes it to a mixed sex space.

it's that simple

Datun · 09/12/2018 18:04

Yawn @ goady OP
This has been done to death

We are on the brink of introducing a law that says child murderer and paedophile Ian Huntley could be transferred to a female prison. And it's the highlighting of that that's goady? And deserves a yawn???

But it's gender critical women who have the agenda...

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 18:04

Also people were questioning the existence of any threads and then someone linked to them showing they do.

And?

Back to the topic...

Do you think Huntley will be a risk to women due to being:
a a woman
b trans
c a man?