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Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...

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HJWT · 09/12/2018 12:10

I just don't have words

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VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:20

Find a quote on this thread where someone has said that all transwomen are someone to be wary of

I actually said there is REPEATEDLY thread after thread, there's been at least 2 this week in AIBU.
Where there absolutely, definitely were people saying that they didn't accept any transwomen.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 15:22

OK, find a quote from one of those then, or link to it. I've genuinely never seen one.

I agree though that anything from the DM should be treated as a certain amount of bullshit.

VickyEadie · 09/12/2018 15:27

I don't think it will help the victims' families to see this story promoted in this way.

Do you really think they'd like this issue brushed under the carpet?

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:28

OK, find a quote from one of those then, or link to it. I've genuinely never seen one.

From experience, there is literally no point. You can do it yourself. They're not hard to find, they were only in the last couple of days or so.

TheLittlestLightOnTheTree · 09/12/2018 15:31

Yes vicky I think they would quite like it dropped.!!

After all it's just a story ....a DM rehashed made up story

FredMerc · 09/12/2018 15:33

@Morriszapp
I also feel desperately sad for the families who have to see that lovely photo printed yet again alongside his horrible face.

^^This

I always think over the years any family who have lost a loved one in some terrible way at the hand of another/others are tortured even more to the end of their days by newspaper/internet articles showing the victim and killer together side by side EVERY time. It makes me feel sick.

Crimes from 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, etc. the poor victims families have to keep seeing them together. I wish the articles didn't do this.

VickyEadie · 09/12/2018 15:34

I actually said there is REPEATEDLY thread after thread, there's been at least 2 this week in AIBU. Where there absolutely, definitely were people saying that they didn't accept any transwomen.

You're changing your complaint with each post you make, however.

From claiming that this thread is part of an utter obsession on MN of trying to tar ALL transwomen as someone to be wary of, they're out to take over etc, transitioned transwomen minding their own business, having a problem with them all as they're always men whatever they do thing - which it demonstrably is not.

You dismissed people's legitimate concerns about the likes of Huntley doing this (and we know there are already examples of sex offenders doing this and getting transferred to women's prisons): "Christ, yet another one. Is it because people have been saying they're hiding FWR and fed up of the echo chamber?"

Then you turned to agreeing that the whole story is "Sensationalist rubbish to wind up its readers on a slowish news weekend."

You make claims that threads on AIBU have people on saying derogatory things about all trans people and when asked to provide links to support your claim, refuse to do so.

You'll have to forgive people if they think you're just trying to shut down discussion.

VickyEadie · 09/12/2018 15:36

Yes vicky I think they would quite like it dropped.!!

After all it's just a story ....a DM rehashed made up story

How do you know it's "made up"? And if it's not, do you really, really think the families want Huntley protected by people not discussing the story?

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 15:42

Verbeena doesn't want people discussing this because it flies in the face of their 'all transwomen are gentle and lovely' rhetoric.

The truth is that many men will/have self id as trans to get access to vulnerable women and many of those hustling themselves under the trans umbrella are AGP men such as Jess Bradley the trans'woman' caught with his cock out at work or Aimee Challenor the adult baby pushing for women to lose their safe spaces and boundaries and shaping Green party policy. He has now defected to the Lib Dems who welcomed him with open arms.

We KNOW that many men will do whatever they can to abuse women - self id gives them the perfect opportunity to do this. It is not really about trans people, it is about horrible abusive men.

ilovesooty · 09/12/2018 15:44

Where did Verbeena say that all trans women are gentle and lovely? I think I must have missed that.

VickyEadie · 09/12/2018 15:45

It is not really about trans people, it is about horrible abusive men.

Indeed.

VickyEadie · 09/12/2018 15:46

Where did Verbeena say that all trans women are gentle and lovely? I think I must have missed that.

Verbeena would advise you to go and have a look for yourself!

M4J4 · 09/12/2018 15:52

@KlutzyDraconequus

It's not a popular stance, but I don't care, just kill the cunt and be done with it.

Not so much unpopular as redundant and futile , seeing as we don't have a death penalty in the UK.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:52

You make claims that threads on AIBU have people on saying derogatory things about all trans people and when asked to provide links to support your claim, refuse to do so

They're there and the reason I'm not linking is people mock, laugh, patronise, and refuse to see what they're saying even when they have literally just said it.
Find it yourself.

You'll have to forgive people if they think you're just trying to shut down discussion

Think what you like. Carry on thinking that anyone who says differently is out to shut the wimmin up, I don't care anymore.

Where did Verbeena say that all trans women are gentle and lovely? I think I must have missed that.

THANK YOU! I bloody didn't even imply anything of the sort, but you hate all women if you don't have a problem with all transwomen.

OldCrone · 09/12/2018 15:53

I actually said there is REPEATEDLY thread after thread, there's been at least 2 this week in AIBU. Where there absolutely, definitely were people saying that they didn't accept any transwomen.

You said something similar on a thread in AIBU yesterday. But you couldn't link to them there, either.

If there are so many of them, why can't we find them? And it shouldn't take long for you to find one to link to for those of us who can't find them.

So is it possible that these posts just don't exist, verbeena?

jessstan2 · 09/12/2018 15:53

Doesn't sound real to me.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:54

Verbeena would advise you to go and have a look for yourself!

Never once said or implied on any threads, but whatever.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 15:54

You can do it yourself. They're not hard to find, they were only in the last couple of days or so.

I did look. I honestly couldn’t find any. I’m not going to take this on faith or your say so. Can you tell me the thread title so I can find the quote?

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:55

So is it possible that these posts just don't exist, verbeena?

I said there's literally no point linking for a gotcha moment. They're there. Go find them. They'll only be in the first few pages of AIBU, were only in the last couple of days ago.

VickyEadie · 09/12/2018 15:56

Never once said or implied on any threads, but whatever.

Yes you did! You said You can do it yourself. They're not hard to find, they were only in the last couple of days or so.

Is it your memory, or what?

ilovesooty · 09/12/2018 15:56

I don't care what she would advise quite frankly. But this thread began with the predictable comments about physical violence to Huntley and then went exactly the way I expected.
All on the basis of a DM story much of which is old news.

VickyEadie · 09/12/2018 15:57

I said there's literally no point linking for a gotcha moment. They're there. Go find them. They'll only be in the first few pages of AIBU, were only in the last couple of days ago.

Not even the thread title? Really?

M4J4 · 09/12/2018 15:57

@EmpressAdultHumanFemale

Incidentally if anyone is posting about this on social media, it would be great to include a link to this petition asking the government to review the rules on moving men to women's prisons.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767?fbclid=IwAR30knDH9VrfYA5ZMukg-d6jxI4JCJsZJ5tP8Zc0knrwQ2SxJi5EoW2asqw

Signed! Shouldn't this be pinned somewhere, @MNHQ?

To the posters saying we shouldn't discuss the Soham murders, no one is discussing what happened to the girls so this thread is not salacious. But we do not need to be aware of what Huntley is trying to do, to help stop him getting access to other vulnerable females.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:58

Yes you did! You said You can do it yourself. They're not hard to find, they were only in the last couple of days or so.Is it your memory, or what?

FFS. What? I said - Never once said or implied all transwomen are lovely on any of the threads!
I wasn't even talking about you finding the threads. I know I said to do that for yourself.

M4J4 · 09/12/2018 16:00

@VisitorsEntrance

Can you tell me the thread title so I can find the quote?

I doubt they exist if they can't link them.

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