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Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...

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HJWT · 09/12/2018 12:10

I just don't have words

Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...
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Datun · 09/12/2018 14:22

16 beauticians are being sued by this one individual. Purposely targeting women who work out of their living room. As they thought they would have less backing. And they wanted their penis to be Brazilianed in the homes of these women.

Aeroflotgirl · 09/12/2018 14:23

It is shocking and so sad, women are getting the shit end of the stick. I go to an all female combat bootcamp, I wonder if the instructor will have to let men who identify as females in, despite being fully intact. Some of the women who attend the bootcamp, are Muslim women who wear a headscarf.

Aeroflotgirl · 09/12/2018 14:27

Any woman who voices concerns are transphobes or TERFS, bigots, all the names under the sun, they trot out, these extreme TRAs are nasty, bullying, vile men who guise as women, with the intention of stripping women of any rights or voice. When it is the other way round, as a poster highlighted, an it is a transman involved, nothing is said. Misogny in a new form.

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 14:33

16 beauticians are being sued by this one individual. Purposely targeting women who work out of their living room. As they thought they would have less backing. And they wanted their penis to be Brazilianed in the homes of these women

Hey hang on, is this the same individual who was asking how to approach 10 year olds if they had no knickers on? In the female toilets? And who was going to ask for a tampon from them? If he saw a string hanging out? And who wanted to know when girls were likely to have their 'tits and fannies' out?

MrsTerryPratcett · 09/12/2018 14:34

Yup. They have the human right to have women working out of their homes handle their cock and balls though. Human right...

Datun · 09/12/2018 14:38

The very same. And has also brought down GenderTrender via WordPress and Meghan Murphy, I believe.

Because they can.

Ian Huntley showering naked next to incarcerated women doesn't seem like quite so much of a leap now.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 14:41

Yup. They have the human right to have women working out of their homes handle their cock and balls though. Human right...

It's a female cock and balls though, so not a problem.......

Elfinablender · 09/12/2018 14:42
VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 14:45

Christ, yet another one. Is it because people have been saying they're hiding FWR and fed up of the echo chamber?

Sensationalist rubbish to wind up its readers on a slowish news weekend
This.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 14:46

datun I'm not sure you fully understand

Patronising again, they are allowed to think differently

lassupthebrew · 09/12/2018 14:56

This kind of case is exactly why the gatekeeping, psychiatric analysis and time needed before you can just do what you want is vital . All the things that would be dropped IF self ID into legal identity on birth certificates were allowed.

No way should this MAN ever be allowed to legally state they are a woman. Any system that facilitates that is clearly absurd.

It cannot be and never should be right and only politicians who do not deserve to win the next election think it should. You have to protect society from the worst not make that a consequence of pandering to any idea because it is trendy.

Quite obviously allowing prisoners with any kind of history of such crimes or sexual offences should automatically be excluded from ever legally changing status. They are doing it in most cases to gain access to women or to try to play the system or to dodge something It has to be legally forbidden now.

This applies even if they really have gender dysphoria (which I suspect is almost never true as it is actually very rare - not that you would believe it from the media these days).

The rules for this kind of thing need tightening, not removing. And they should start with making it clear convicted prisoners do not get to legally mess society about and play games with their identity.

They get punished, lose liberties and pay for the horrible things they have done. Funding surgery and considering swapping prisons is not part of that and never should be.

If any trans activists reading this want to call me transphobic - go ahead. But be aware I am saying this as one of the very few 4910 people in the UK who actually has a Gender Recognition Certificate.

I have never been in trouble with the law and was perfectly willing to go through years of assessment. But knew if I did get in trouble I would struggle horribly by not being defined as female. This is something we should not be waving away to please evil people.

The assessment is a reasonable thing to be willing to do in order to expect society to regard you differently even if you have never had a parking ticket.

Just saying you are now Martha not Arthur is nowhere near enough because it makes it possible for people to equivocate clearly despicable men like this as being just like you. And opens the door to crooks, chancers and perverts.

Do you really want that?

Instead of telling women and transsexuals who say these things that we are denying your rights to self declare - stop being selfish, see the bigger picture and accept the need for caution, safeguards and proper assessment.

This is not all about you.

Datun · 09/12/2018 14:58

What do you think of the OP though, Verbeena?

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 14:58

Ian Huntley is a vile individual and should be left to rot.
However, nobody is saying they don't have a problem with self ID.
Self ID sounds all kinds of problematic.
Which is what he seems to want to be doing, and shouldn't be allowed.
What IS wrong, though, is this utter obsession on MN of trying to tar ALL transwomen as someone to be wary of, they're out to take over etc, transitioned transwomen minding their own business, having a problem with them all as they're always men whatever they do.
Which some of these posts imply.

lassupthebrew · 09/12/2018 15:02

Verbeena, the problem is that trans activists who do not outright condemn things like this and insist transwomen ARE women because they say so and all barriers must be removed because they are 'too hard' CREATE situations like this by being selfish.

If they stopped doing that and realised why the safeguarding exists and be willing to discuss how to stop the system being abused instead of demanding changes that more or less assure it happens, then what is called transphobia would be seriously diminished.

Because it is not transphobia it is a reasonable desire to be protected from the worst people which only happens if the good people cooperate instead of insist they are different.

Aeroflotgirl · 09/12/2018 15:03

Verbeena it is cases like what Datun and op has highlighted that make women worried. I do not care what people do on an individual level, if I met a transperson I would give them the same respect, I give everyone, on a wider level, as as highlighted on here, there is a massive problem for women who are non trans, it needs to be taken seriously by the relevant authorities.

Aeroflotgirl · 09/12/2018 15:05

Totally lassupthebrew you said what I tried to say, but found it hard to articulate.

VickyEadie · 09/12/2018 15:06

What IS wrong, though, is this utter obsession on MN of trying to tar ALL transwomen as someone to be wary of, they're out to take over etc, transitioned transwomen minding their own business, having a problem with them all as they're always men whatever they do.
Which some of these posts imply.

Can't see that on this thread at all.

I can see you suggesting the story is "Sensationalist rubbish to wind up its readers on a slowish news weekend. This."

and dismissing people's concerns by commenting "Christ, yet another one. Is it because people have been saying they're hiding FWR and fed up of the echo chamber?"

Do you think people shouldn't be concerned about the likes of Huntley and other sex offenders/murderers claiming to be women and then being transferred into women's prisons?

MorrisZapp · 09/12/2018 15:10

I'm really uncomfortable with this story being repeatedly reported. I'm unconvinced it's totally genuine, and we have plenty of common sense arguments on the GC side without promoting half baked DM stories.

I also feel desperately sad for the families who have to see that lovely photo printed yet again alongside his horrible face.

Let them live in peace. If this murderer actually was moved anywhere, be sure we'd know about it and it would be reported as fact by reputable news sources.

He won't be moved though.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 15:11

What IS wrong, though, is this utter obsession on MN of trying to tar ALL transwomen as someone to be wary of, they're out to take over etc, transitioned transwomen minding their own business, having a problem with them all as they're always men whatever they do.

No one has said that though.
I certainly acknowledge that there are many if not most transwomen who are just living their lives and would never dream of causing harm or distress to women.
However there are some individuals who will go to any lengths they can to abuse women, even if those lengths are assuming the persona of a transwoman. And if you are facing life in prison what have you got to lose by claiming to be trans? It's one way to force women to touch you and potentially be in a space with women.
This is harmful to transwomen and women.

And here is the problem - if we are told that anyone who says they are a woman is a woman, and we have to accept this without debate it leaves the door open for the likes of Huntley.

I don't think it is my place to speak for all posters on MN but I don't think there is one person who thinks that we should be wary of all transwomen.

TheLittlestLightOnTheTree · 09/12/2018 15:13

morriszapp I said this at the beginning of the thread but was shouted down

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:15

No one has said that though.

Confused You must be being deliberately obtuse.
VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:15

Must be missing my other post when I said vile individual and should be left to rot.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 15:18

Go on then.
Find a quote on this thread where someone has said that all transwomen are someone to be wary of.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 15:19

I'm really uncomfortable with this story being repeatedly reported. I'm unconvinced it's totally genuine, and we have plenty of common sense arguments on the GC side without promoting half baked DM stories

Good point, I mean usually on MN you get eye rolls and comments like "not clicking" when someone links to a DM article.
If it's trans related in any way shape or form though, it's suddenly gospel truth and it's not possible that maybe they could be doing their usual shit stirring.

ilovesooty · 09/12/2018 15:19

I agree. I don't think it will help the victims' families to see this story promoted in this way.

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