Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...

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I just don't have words

Hestia so as you know a bit about her, do you know if she has fully transitioned?
As me and Rufus weren't sure

Eh, well, I am about as sure as Rufus. So ... haven't checked. But I don't think it is relevant? We know what transactivists say and what the law says, and transactivists are very vocal that they are very much against making the absence of male genitalia a requirement for access to female spaces.

And here’s a case that shows that those setting the transgender policy of transfer may not have entirely good motives.

“a senior Scottish prison official convicted of possessing 22,000 indecent images of children and now on the sex offenders' register was one of those responsible for introducing its “gender identity and gender reassignment policy” which places men in women's prisons according to their self identification.
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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-offender-gordon-pike-helped-set-prison-trans-rules-q8n3lnksv?shareToken=b8704c9c7a62d239c58da9201314d697

Also what does fully transitioned really mean? A man who has had his penis removed and breasts implanted is still not a biological woman and biology is the way that prisons should be segregated.

So even if Nicola Huntley has gender reassignment surgery she should still remain in the male estate.

No verbeena, the point is that you asked a pointless question. Unless you believe transwomen(arewomen) can‘t have penises.

The entire thread from which the quote above is taken.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3440219-Scottish-sex-offender-prison-official-Sunday-Times-story

Sex offenders helping sex offenders. At the expense of some very vulnerable women.

Horrendous.

There are loads of TRAs who don't have their penises. India Willoughby, Juno Roche, etc.

India thinks that women who don't shave their legs are unhygienic and called Jeni Murray every name under the sun for pointing it out. Juno talks non stop about their neo vagina in female changing rooms, gleefully using a pornographer's lexicon.

There is zero affinity with women. Quite the opposite.

Seeing as extreme position is no penises in our spaces, why do they want no transwomen in there at all? If the offending "bits" are no more?

Because:

1. Males retain Male patterns and rates of violent offending even after transition.
2. Men displace the violence they would have enacted with a penis onto other modes (objects etc.)

A violent man is a violent man. Removal of the penis will not stop him being violent. Or a man.

I don’t find ‘no men in women’s spaces thank you’ an extreme position. It’s the current status quo. How is it extreme?

Does not wanting men in women’s prisons make me an extremist?

Gosh. I really thought that was a sensible thing to think.

l suspect he thinks he'll get a 'cushy billet' if he goes to a women's prison. He's an idiot if he thinks that. They'd rip him apart.

Seeing as extreme position is no penises in our spaces, why do they want no transwomen in there at all? If the offending "bits" are no more?

Because transwomen who had their male genitals removed are being used as a Trojan Horse and most feminists have noticed this by now.

After TRAs managed to get women to say that transwomen who had the surgery were women, they demanded, then, that women also say transwomen who didn't have surgery are women.

And women were trapped, forced to either admit they had been wrong to ever go along with the TWAW line, or to go all the way and pretend that women can have penises.

As others have pointed out, there is no physical, provable difference between a post-surgery transwoman and a man who lost his penis and testicles in an accident.

The only difference is gender identity.

And so, gender identity is made the only criterion we are allowed to use to differentiate between men and transwomen.

Not having 'bits' that worked didn't stop Karen Lawson.

Lawson forced a lemon into the woman’s mouth, punched her in the face and held her by the hair in a back room of the Transformations shop (a shop for men who wish to buy and wear stereotypical female clothing and accessories). The attempted rape was so terrifying the woman told the police she thought she was going to die; the attack only ended when Lawson failed to get an erection.

I think he, and 'people' like him, lost the right to anything bar human requirements (food, water, shelter) when he was convicted of murder!

hestia Eh, well, I am about as sure as Rufus. So ... haven't checked. But I don't think it is relevant?

Well it kind of is when the bit that Caitlin was linked to was penises

l suspect he thinks he'll get a 'cushy billet' if he goes to a women's prison. He's an idiot if he thinks that. They'd rip him apart.

I should hope so, but I don't think women's prisons are really like they are portrayed in (entertainment) TV.

A lot of women are there for really petty crimes, or have been dragged into more serious crime by a boyfriend, and suffer from female socialsation as much as the next woman.

I don't think big, muscular lesbians who don't care shit about male feelings make up a bigger percentage of prison population than they do of the general population.
There may be some where this male ends up, or there might not.

I don’t find ‘no men in women’s spaces thank you’ an extreme position. It’s the current status quo. How is it extreme?

More the question, is why are people trying to position this as extreme?

There was an article about how the US has tried treating sex offenders - nothing to do with transwomen, just male offenders generally.

It reported that chemical castration of rapists and paedophiles has proved a failure in stopping them committing further offences,

• they still want to rape, so they use objects and torture instead of their penises

whoknewbeefstew I think he, and 'people' like him, lost the right to anything bar human requirements (food, water, shelter) when he was convicted of murder!

Same, let it rot. I don't care what it does or doesn't want to do.

I can see the problem with self ID. It's not a good idea. Seeing as extreme position is no penises in our spaces, why do they want no transwomen in there at all? If the offending "bits" are no more?

How the shitting hell is ‘no penises in female spaces extreme’?

Not having 'bits' that worked didn't stop Karen Lawson.

Indeed.

Though I really think it is probably the fact that TRAs are now demanding we also call males who still have penises "women" what makes most women increasingly unwilling to call anyone with XY chromosomes a woman, ever.

Daily mail said that caitlin is all woman

I am being circumspect as i dont want to be deleted

Apparently surgery took place last year

Yes and yet people like Verbeena position women who will not go along with this nonsense as 'extreme'!

Caitlin said they were having the op, but didn't take any time off work, according to celeb sleuths.

We should bring back the death penalty for him & all kid killers.

*It reported that chemical castration of rapists and paedophiles has proved a failure in stopping them committing further offences,

• they still want to rape, so they use objects and torture instead of their penises*

Is there any difference at all between pedophiles who have no interest in adults, and those who just rape everyone they can get?

There's been claims that pedophilia is like a sexual orientation - but people with a sexual orientation do lose their sex drive with chemical castration.

What you describe would point towards it just being sadism, and not very closely, if at all, connected to sexuality.