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Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...

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HJWT · 09/12/2018 12:10

I just don't have words

Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...
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VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:18

VisitorsEntrance Please, please, try to read my posts. The extreme posters say no transwomen with penises in our spaces.
I'm saying self ID where anyone with a penis can waltz in is a bad idea if they can choose on the day what they are!
If the extremists are saying this is what their stance is too, why do they have a problem with ALL transwomen regardless of whether their bits are intact and they should all stay the hell away?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 21:20

Oooh the plot thickens datun

Caitlin was also very circumspect Grin

No actual yes or no...

Not, as others have said, that it matters

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:21

Daily mail said that caitlin is all woman I am being circumspect as i dont want to be deleted Apparently surgery took place last year

I thought she had. Which is why why is she being brought up in a penises NO argument?

HestiaParthenos · 09/12/2018 21:21

Verbeena, why don't you read my posts? I explained why women are now unwilling to let anyone with XY chromosomes in female spaces. Hint: It is transactivist's fault.

Caitlin said they were having the op, but didn't take any time off work, according to celeb sleuths.

Considering that the Bible says the aftereffects of circumcision make adult men unable to fight for their very lives for about three days, that is rather suspicious.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 21:21

Who really knows? The fact is that even after men have their penises removed they do not magically become women. They know this and seem very fond of their penises (no dysphoria needed now to be trans) and so label them female. There are several very high profile transwomen in the UK who have had oodles of surgery but not THAT surgery.

Datun · 09/12/2018 21:21

Caitlin was also very circumspect

Yes, it wasn't cut and dried.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:22

Yes and yet people like Verbeena position women who will not go along with this nonsense as 'extreme'!

You're the one being deleted everywhere, haven't seen anyone else yet

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 21:24

Yes, it wasn't cut and dried

Erm

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 21:24

If the extremists are saying this is what their stance is too, why do they have a problem with ALL transwomen regardless of whether their bits are intact and they should all stay the hell away?

Once again calling out your lack of understanding.

It is not about having a 'problem' with trans women, it's just that they are not women. And hence, should not be in female spaces.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 21:25

Oh seriously. Get a grip.
I will not bother to go over it again as you are just being silly now. Please try and debate properly with actual points and arguments.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 21:26

Sorry that post above to Verbeena who keeps implying that I am transphobic. Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 09/12/2018 21:27

The old "gentlemen's agreement" in loos, that we let in the really tiny number of transwomen with dysphoria worked,
because they just wanted to "pass",
so they stayed very quietly in the background and they were so few in number anyway.

It's different with the much larger number who want public validation and to dominate womens spaces their way
Now we have the increasing number of exhibitionists and predators too

and it is no longer a matter of transwomen not wanting to use the mens loos,
but now demanding - as of right - access to womens prisons, hospital wards, refuges, sport, awards & grants

Hence, many of us decided we need to return to strict single sex segregation,
at least until this whole self-ID idea has been binned and the aggressive TRA movement with it.

As I've posted before "We gave an inch and they took a mile"

That's what happened when we were kind to what was a very tiny subgroup of men.

Now, we need to push for 3rd spaces, so trans people can feel comfortable & safe.

Where these are not yet available, make the mens facilities unisex, not the womens
because the need is to cater for a subgroup of men who feel vulnerable, but at least have the size, strength, muscle of a male body.

In the case of prisons, then a separate wing in mens prisons, closed off from the rest of the prison, as for other vulnerable offenders.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:27

Oh seriously. Get a grip.
I will not bother to go over it again as you are just being silly now. Please try and debate properly with actual points and arguments.

Fine. You're one of the reasons I won't.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:28

Bold fail, soz before getting told off by datun that was to starcrossedseahorse, I wasn't arguing with myself.

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/12/2018 21:29

The extreme posters say no transwomen with penises in our spaces.

verbeena please can you explain why you think this is an extremist position? It’s the current status quo and allowed for in law under the exemptions and exceptions to the equality act 2010.

Why do you keep trying to say this is an extremist position?

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:30

No pojnt to answering, is there? I'm even answering on this thread some points. You won't see that though.
If it's not shouting "Down With This Sort of Thing" to all transwomen, you can't see it.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 21:31

No Verbeena you have consistently refused to answer simple questions from several posters and you cannot blame me for your lack of understanding on this issue which has been highlighted time and time again.
I am sorry if you feel out of your depth.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 21:32

Verbeena, Seeing as extreme position is no penises in our spaces is a direct quote. Did I miss understand? Is this not your opinion?

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:33

starcrossed as I said, you do you. No one is forcing you to accept transwomen as ever being women. That's on you, I don't care.
You can't even see your own posts, so stands to reason that you can't see anything that you've said either.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:33

you've said either

should read I've said either not you've

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 21:34

How is it extreme?

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/12/2018 21:35

Verbeena - why do you say it’s an extremist position? It isn’t.

I find it worrying that such a position is referred to repeatedly as extremist, creating the impression in the mind of the reader that gender critical = extremist.

It isn’t an extreme position in any way. it’s the current status quo, allowed for in law.

Please can you explain to me why you think it’s an extremist position?

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 21:35

Verbeena, I just want to understand your view. I feel we might well think many of the same things. What are your views? It’s not that I can’t see it, it’s that you are not being clear.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 21:39

OK, at the risk of being accused of repeating myself, but slightly edited in the hope of extra clarity

*Please, please, try to read my posts. The extreme posters say no transwomen with penises in our spaces. That's what they profess to be all about. I'm saying self ID where anyone with a penis can waltz in is a bad idea if they can choose on the day what they are! If the extremists are saying this is what their stance is too, why do they have a problem with ALL transwomen regardless of whether their bits are intact and they should all stay the hell away?

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/12/2018 21:39

When such a form of words is used, almost as a throwaway, it creates a subconscious impression in the reader. If the person says as the point of the sentence ‘blah is extremism’ then the reader starts to argue back. But if the person uses that stance as the start of another argument then the mind unconsciously accepts the starting premise.

Linking pairs of words in this way links the concepts and the reader carries that forth because it’s sort of snuck in under the radar.

So I would like to challenge that rhetorical device. I put it to you that not wanting males in female spaces is in not way extremist but actually entirely reasonable.

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